What I don't understand about this reconversion process that Ray seems to be going through is why he's spending more time trying to fix up other's homes instead of doing the massive work necessary to fix his own.
If I had erred in something and I needed to do an about face, I'd be working on my stuff...not looking around me to see who I percieved to be worse off than me.
You spend quite a bit of time yourself "fixing up" Mormon attitudes to blacks. Do you ever think of getting on with your life instead? Why not? Does it occur to you that your obsession with black issues is no different to my "obsession" with exmos? And I haven't even written a sour grapes blog yet. I tried to listen to your viewpoint, and you join the throng of insulters. Fine. You lost any empathy I once had for your "cause" and that should give "Mr. Scatch" more fodder for speculation.
LOL! Um, I long since gave up on trying to convince the LDS church that their doctrines are racist. I just came back to this forum after a several week break, and if I do recall, you were on here under another screen name telling me that I was recovering from mental issues during my last break, due to legitimate health issues. Dealing with the racist undertones of LDS doctrine causes me too much pain. I observe that it's wrong, but if a black person wants to be LDS, that's their dichotomy. I now associate with those who love and accept me for who I am, and I believe God does the same. But if you like, I can stroke your ego and tell you something blatantly false about your "positive" character so you can be my friend....whadaya say?
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Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
GIMR wrote:Not to derail, but can I change my screen name to "Happy Prison Bitch"?
Kidding...
LOL! I've missed you!
Hey Lizzie! I've missed torturing the natives with you, as well. My laptop adapter died, and between work drama and waiting for a new one, I've been busy.
How's life?
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
Ray A wrote:I explained this before, but you either missed it or forgot. When I went on FAIR I changed my approach. Interacting with Mormons there, unlike exmos here, was a positive experience for me. They were open, intelligent, and the discussions were excellent, and I did not always agree with LDS viewpoints. I sometimes started threads that rattled even Juliann, and she made it known, so there was no "buttkissing" on FAIR. I stayed within the rules. DCP was impressed with my approach to, and posts about the Book of Mormon, and I believe that where we began exchanging emails again.
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Ah, of course. You see? I was right all along. You are not a principled person, Ray, who is interested in the truth. Rather, you flip-flop sides and change your position based on who is nice to you. That, to answer your earlier inquiry, is the primary difference between you and Kevin Graham.
What you think about me or my motives is not important. I know my reasons. Being nice to someone is important, but I would not change my views or approach merely because someone was nice. Some exmos have been very nice to me, and I have an exmo friend who posted on RFM and we still exchange emails frequently, and he plans to visit in the near future. On Exmo-Social one of my favourite posters, and friend, John Hamer, has not in any way altered my views of "exmoism". I never attacked John because he had too much integrity for me to do that, though we have very different opinions, on the Book of Mormon, and Mormonism in general. So "being nice" is not the crux. You on the other hand have to be one of the nastiest mud-slingers I've met on the net. You are into vilification and character assassination more than any one I know, even outside the Internet.
GIMR wrote:Cog, you finally put a self-portrait up for your avatar! It's so nice to see your face...
And no doubt your own self-portrait is rather, well, flattering.
Honey, I cause men to drop what they're doing when I pass by...and what's amazing is that they're not chemically dependent on anything at the time!
It's called loving one's self. Try it, perhaps we wouldn't deal with so much vitriol from you on these boards, and perhaps you could hold one stance for a week, instead of volleying back and forth between whoever strokes your fragile ego that day.
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
GIMR wrote: LOL! Um, I long since gave up on trying to convince the LDS church that their doctrines are racist. I just came back to this forum after a several week break, and if I do recall, you were on here under another screen name telling me that I was recovering from mental issues during my last break, due to legitimate health issues. Dealing with the racist undertones of LDS doctrine causes me too much pain. I observe that it's wrong, but if a black person wants to be LDS, that's their dichotomy. I now associate with those who love and accept me for who I am, and I believe God does the same. But if you like, I can stroke your ego and tell you something blatantly false about your "positive" character so you can be my friend....whadaya say?
No thanks. Offer declined. I don't often agree with Marg, but she got it right sizing you up.
Ray A wrote:No thanks. Offer declined. I don't often agree with Marg, but she got it right sizing you up.
She must have said something nice about you, too. Marg had one conversation with me, in which she projected her rigid personal views on what it was that I was saying. And that, coincidentally, happened to be the conversation about the completely asenine behavior of TBMs. Marg will fight to pin one of her holy principles on something, no matter how stupid it looks.
So who else told you that you were wonderful today, Ray?
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
GIMR wrote:Honey, I cause men to drop what they're doing when I pass by...and what's amazing is that they're not chemically dependent on anything at the time!
It's called loving one's self. Try it, perhaps we wouldn't deal with so much vitriol from you on these boards, and perhaps you could hold one stance for a week, instead of volleying back and forth between whoever strokes your fragile ego that day.
Ah yes full of yourself, aren't you? "Poster girls" mean nothing to me. But if you want to see some real poster girls check out Bondi beach. They're a dime a dozen there.
GIMR wrote:She must have said something nice about you, too. Marg had one conversation with me, in which she projected her rigid personal views on what it was that I was saying. And that, coincidentally, happened to be the conversation about the completely asenine behavior of TBMs. Marg will fight to pin one of her holy principles on something, no matter how stupid it looks.
So who else told you that you were wonderful today, Ray?
Well the truth is Marg has never said anything nice about me! But I can concede a valid point, even to an opponent.
Ray A wrote:Ah yes full of yourself, aren't you? "Poster girls" mean nothing to me. But if you want to see some real poster girls check out Bondi beach. They're a dime a dozen there.
So you volley between slobbering over women and self-righteousness?
You didn't get the point of what I said. You're cute. :-)
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
Ray A wrote:Well the truth is Marg has never said anything nice about me! But I can concede a valid point, even to an opponent.
So you say about DCP, but we all know that in private your nose is up the anus of those who will validate about you what you cannot about yourself, and the rest of us who don't want to take your crap, we're all heathens doomed for outer darkness. LOL!
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi