Lamanite only a political designation?

[_Yoda]

Go away, Lizzie. This conversation is over your pretty little head. You want to moderate my comments, go right ahead. Put some bite in your bitchiness.

This isn't MAD. We don't censor here.

If I'm speaking as a Moderator, you'll know it.

At the moment, I'm "speaking as a man", as Shades puts it. Actually, I'm "speaking as a Goddess". ;)

Frankly, if I had my choice, you are one poster here I would love to see "go away", as you so eloquently put it.

Unfortunately, all, including the likes of you, are free to post here.

[_William Schryver]

Lizzie:

Frankly, if I had my choice, you are one poster here I would love to see "go away", as you so eloquently put it.

You could not possibly have said anything that would have honored me more than this.

Thanks, Liz. You've made my day.

[_The Nehor]

CFR?

Nephi and Jacob both mentioned that they were involved in wars with their brethren already. Unless they thought wars involved less than 20-30 grown men a side or all of Laman and Nephi's generation had multiple multiple births, they must have been getting population from somewhere.

[_antishock8]

Ignore the red herring...

No one is saying that if a group of 30 lehites mixed with millions of native americans, the lehite DNA should be detectable.

True, there were probably less than 30.

What are you trying to say?

That the Lehite family quickly mingled genetically with pre-existing inhabitants and the Mulekites (a mutt breed themselves) and that genetically their descendants would be indistinguishable from earlier migrant groups.

Which is my word to the Gentile, that soon it may go to the Jew, of whom the Lamanites are a remnant, that they may believe the gospel, and, look not for a Messiah to come who has already come.

[_Yoda]

And there is no reason to suppose that the DNA signature of a man named Lehi -- whatever his DNA may have looked like -- would be found in anyone living today, even though he may very literally be among the ancestors of every Amerindian currently living, just as Charlemagne is among my hundreds of thousands of ancestors.

So, according to your argument, the American Indian IS a descendant of Lehi, thus following the teachings of the "average Mormon".

[_antishock8]

CFR?

Nephi and Jacob both mentioned that they were involved in wars with their brethren already. Unless they thought wars involved less than 20-30 grown men a side or all of Laman and Nephi's generation had multiple multiple births, they must have been getting population from somewhere.

That's not a reference. That's a supposition based on an erroneous assumption about the nature of war.

[_Yoda]

Lizzie:

Frankly, if I had my choice, you are one poster here I would love to see "go away", as you so eloquently put it.

You could not possibly have said anything that would have honored me more than this.

Thanks, Liz. You've made my day.

Glad to oblige!

;)

[_KimberlyAnn]

Go away, Lizzie. This conversation is over your pretty little head. You want to moderate my comments, go right ahead. Put some bite in your bitchiness.

What an unwarranted display of hubris! Will Schryver, I doubt anything you could come up with is over Liz's head, and I can assure you it wouldn't be over mine.

I'm going on a fifteen year old memory, but I believe you're still off by sixty or so years with Charlemagne. He may be called by some the "Father of Europe", but his progeny numbered around twenty, if I remember correctly (and I usually do), so I doubt that should be taken literally.

Also, thank you for exemplifying the sexist attributes of Mormon Priesthood holders. I enjoy pointing out the sexism inherent in Mormonism, and your above post does nothing but prove me right.

KA

[_The Nehor]

Which is my word to the Gentile, that soon it may go to the Jew, of whom the Lamanites are a remnant, that they may believe the gospel, and, look not for a Messiah to come who has already come.

Is this a rebuttal? Are you suggesting that the Lamanites would not be a remnant of the House of Israel in this case?

[_William Schryver]

Lizzie:

So, according to your argument, the American Indian IS a descendant of Lehi …

Assuming that Lehi was a real man, he is almost certainly an ancestor of almost every Amerindian living today.

… thus following the teachings of the "average Mormon".

I deny there was ever any such thing as you imply in this phrase. There may have been prevalent beliefs, but there was, quite simply, no such thing as “common teachings” until the early 20th century, at which time we begin to see these qualified statements regarding the Indians and the Lamanites.



By the way, I know you’re sticking around simply because I told you the conversation was over “your pretty little head.”

In retrospect, I have no idea if you even have a “pretty little head.” You see, I am as handsome as my avatar suggests, but I have serious doubts that you are as good looking as your avatar would lead us believe. I’ll bet you’re a wrinkled middle-aged woman with varicose veins and more good years behind you than ahead of you. Right? ;-)