Utah biggest porn consumer

[_Gazelam]

Liz,

Bingo!

Because of her I never watch porn

[_Yoda]

Liz,

Bingo!

Because of her I never watch porn

LOL! How did I know?

[_Dr. Shades]

Hmmm...maybe the Church should take a page from the To Catch a Predator playbook and setup LDS-centric porn sites that are especially alluring to LDS men, . . . I'll leave it to the peanut gallery to suggest the nature of porn that would be more alluring to LDS men.

There already is a porn site that caters to LDS men (WARNING: nudity):

MORONI'S ANGELS

[_Jason Bourne]

As to the epidemic, I think it is real. I bet the occasional use probably is closer to 80% of males under 60 and 33% of females under 60. The epidemic for the Church is that it will weed out a lot of normal people who will not like the cog dis of living two lives. This will lead to only people who walk around under crushing guilt and a set of sociopathic members who can believe the Church's teachings on sex and not apply it to their own porn behaviors.

So it is an epidemic of the Church's own making. It is clear that they don't know what to do. They talk in vague generalities and not specifics. They don't dare say: "masturbaters cannot go on a mission" but they clearly want to. This is nothing new, but the access to porn is. When I was about 13 I remember going to a fireside for the "boys only" in which the speaker talked about masturbation for an hour. Except he never specifically mentioned it. It was all vague reference and innuendo for an hour. I remember straining to try figure out if that is actually what he was talking about and what should be the consequence. I walked away with no useful information.

The Church truly does not know what to do. They know that the have masturbating Stake Presidents advising masturbating Bishops telling masturbating youth how to repent and kick the habit. It is truly comical from the outside but tragic from the inside. There are perfectly normal, health boys and girls being crushed by an ignorant and backward moral system.

While there is no doubt problems with porn among LDS men I think you read a lot more into it with this post as well as make some assumptions that you in no way can support.

I think the approach the church is starting to take understands the issue quite well and rather than freak out over it they are offering help to those who wish to obtain it. The 12 step addiction recovery program avoids harsh treatment and over bearing beat them with guilt approach. Many bishops are patient and kind with members who come to them asking for help with porn issue.

[_Jason Bourne]

SICK.

I can't think of anything that would destroy the pleasure of sex more than to think it was a duty. Seriously, it turns sex into, well something along the lines of cleaning toilets. ICK. No fun at all. In fact it, to me approaches rape in the sense a woman is being sexually used. Don't like the idea.

Dang it I keep telling my wife it is not my duty to be her sex toy!!! Will you please speak to her for me!

To me, the fact that some LDS men take LDS teachings as does Gaz, (and others who believe similarly), demonstrates that there is a problem with either the teachings or the way the church is teaching. Thankfully every guy doesn't agree with Gaz, still he is not alone in his interpretations.

Nope. It just means that some are stupid about the way the apply it.


Sorry......I could not resist. But really there you are again blaming the religion for the bad way some apply it.

The brethren, in my opinion need to realize there some men like Gaz (and my former BIL and a bunch of guys on the MAD board...smile), who are fanatical or extremists and need to be taught in a way that doesn't lead to such ideas.

Actually I can assure you there are teachings by leaders that address the barbaric way Gaz approaches things. I have heard such teachings and even given them. Try reading D&C Section 121. You know that thing about not exercising unrigtheos dominion, being loving, kind and so on.