KEP Dictation Argument: The Evidence

[_beastie]

And, seeing as how several of them were clearly selected from the Masonic cipher (with which Phelps, at least, was certainly familiar) it is therefore obvious that they knew these characters were not Egyptian.

You mean from the Anthon transcript?

I'd say this is an important question for Will to answer.

[_Kevin Graham]

The funny thing is Will doesn't understand what a cipher is. ANd I threw this up in his face shortly after his presentation by pointing out that numerous "masonic ciphers" were just variant forms of characters taken from the Anthon transcript.


Also, if you want to encipher the number four, you don't use a symbol taht looks identical to "4". Likewise, for 5, 7, 8 etc.

[_wenglund]

Also, if you want to encipher the number four, you don't use a symbol taht looks identical to "4".

Kevin,

Is this what you are talking about?



Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_wenglund]

Hi Kevin,

In case you missed the last encrypted message using a 4 as a 4 (contrary to what you suggest), here is the same message though using a much simpler cipher system in which I use a 4 as a 4:



Do you agree?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_beastie]

And, seeing as how several of them were clearly selected from the Masonic cipher (with which Phelps, at least, was certainly familiar) it is therefore obvious that they knew these characters were not Egyptian.

You mean from the Anthon transcript?

Once again, this seems, to me, to be a crucial question. Has Will addressed this anywhere?


Wade, you've been following this closely. Do you know the answer to this question?

[_wenglund]

Wade, you've been following this closely. Do you know the answer to this question?

Given the dubious provinence or validity of David Whitmer's "Anthon Caracters" and Mark Hofmann's forged "Anthon Transcript", the answer is: most likely not, though as has been pointed out, there is some similarities between some of the characters in the KEP and the "Anthon Caractors" as well as Tironian Notes. See the file I attached to my last post on the MADB thread.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_wenglund]

Hi Kevin,

In case you missed the last encrypted message using a 4 as a 4 (contrary to what you suggest), here is the same message though using a much simpler cipher system in which I use a 4 as a 4:



Do you agree?

In case this has you stumped, I will write out the same encrypted message using a 4 as a 4, but this time I will employ an even simpler substitution cipher system and tell you what that cypher system is (ROT13):

GUVAXO4HFCRNX

Do you agree?

If you are curious to know, in the first ciphered message I used both an ancient and modern form of steganography (look very closely at the number 4), and in the second ciphered message I employed both an ancient and modern form of stenography.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Aristotle Smith]

Hi Kevin,

In case you missed the last encrypted message using a 4 as a 4 (contrary to what you suggest), here is the same message though using a much simpler cipher system in which I use a 4 as a 4:



Do you agree?

In case this has you stumped, I will write out the same encrypted message using a 4 as a 4, but this time I will employ an even simpler substitution cipher system and tell you what that cypher system is (ROT13):

GUVAXO4HFCRNX

Do you agree?

If you are curious to know, in the first ciphered message I used both an ancient and modern form of steganography (look very closely at the number 4), and in the second ciphered message I employed both an ancient and modern form of stenography.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Wade, what the hell is your point? Congratulations on being able to use a ROT13 encoder web page (the message is "THINKB4USPEAK").

Is the point to try and show how much about cryptography we know? If so then please recover the plain text from the following:

$Second Amendment$12$7BH77xkE3mC.1TFxwOYtXem6ZbwFHfRSP1WJ4lo/0omg1iriU6wra

I'll even help you. It's the result of using 12 round bcrypt with a 12 character random salt, which you will find prepended to the string of characters. I'll give you 5 bucks if you figure it out. Good luck.

[_beastie]

Wade, you've been following this closely. Do you know the answer to this question?

Given the dubious provinence or validity of David Whitmer's "Anthon Caracters" and Mark Hofmann's forged "Anthon Transcript", the answer is: most likely not, though as has been pointed out, there is some similarities between some of the characters in the KEP and the "Anthon Caractors" as well as Tironian Notes. See the file I attached to my last post on the MADB thread.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Thank you for your opinion on the matter. I should have clarified that what I'm really interested in is whether or not Will ever specified, anywhere, whether or not he was referring to the Anthon document. Since you said "most likely not", it would appear that he has not made that clarification.

[_wenglund]

Wade, what the hell is your point?

It is very simple and obvious (it isn't encrypted). My point is that, contrary to Kevin's claim, one can use a 4 as a 4 when ciphering a message.

Congratulations on being able to use a ROT13 encoder web page (the message is "THINKB4USPEAK").

Is the point to try and show how much about cryptography we know?

No.

If so then please recover the plain text from the following:

$Second Amendment$12$7BH77xkE3mC.1TFxwOYtXem6ZbwFHfRSP1WJ4lo/0omg1iriU6wra

I'll even help you. It's the result of using 12 round bcrypt with a 12 character random salt, which you will find prepended to the string of characters. I'll give you 5 bucks if you figure it out. Good luck.

Is it "THINKB4USPEAK"?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-