Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_Droopy]

And how about Heavenly Father?

In whom you do not believe.

I have to wonder, does having one's calling and election made sure, as Will assures us has occurred for him,

He's claimed this? CFR.

mean that it's ok to lie about calling someone a c***?

But that hasn't been demonstrated or proved. Where is the documentary evidence, besides the bare assertions of Will's bitterest personal enemies?

[_beastie]

In whom you do not believe.

So? Will does.

He's claimed this? CFR.

Ah, grasshopper, you are defending someone you don't know very well.

In response to Shades chastising him for saying to Harmony:

You're the toughest talking blowhard of a bitch I've ever seen.

Will asserted:

Besides, as I've indicated previously, I have my calling and election made sure. I'd have to shed innocent blood to fall from my exaltation at this point. And we both know I ain't gonna find any of that here.

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As the post explains, this isn't the first time he's made the claim, it was just the easiest to find.

But that hasn't been demonstrated or proved. Where is the documentary evidence, besides the bare assertions of Will's bitterest personal enemies?

The evidence is that he said something shocking enough to make Stak immediately say: u mad willard?

The evidence is that his other name-calling, such as bitch, scripture references to whores, etc, were not deleted by moderators.

Therefore, he said something far worse than his normal routine of variants of bitch.

The reasons not to believe Will's denials are that he vigorously denied both calling Emma Smith a champion bitch and calling KA a whore, both of which were proven to be lies by linking to his posts wherein he did exactly that.

[_Droopy]

Your memory fails you. I did not claim you had a HISTORY. I asked you to keep me out of your perverse fantasies which you captured in poetry here:

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My memory may, on occasion. The archives of this message board do not. Here is what you took to be the offending verse:

Some are bad boys, play with Paul's toys
Get ready for a long grind
Might have to get some moonshine
Some are bad girls, Beastie's swine pearls

The "bad girls" reference here meant exactly what the entire satirical context of the song meant: beastie is "bad," i.e., a low down, dirty, maggot infested, commie-lib, good for nothing bottom feeding apostate (now, try to pull misogyny out of that. I dare you).

The "swine pearls" part should have made it fairly obvious. Beastie has "swine pearls," or, in other words, she's been collecting from those who have cast some before her. That's "bad." in my estimation.

There was no sexual reference here, except one, aimed at Paul because of his proclivity for, well, sexual references.

As for Beastie claiming I had a history of making sexual referncs towards females in this forum, it is her memory, I believe, that has lost traction:

You have a tendency to use sexual innuendos when you're insulting females on this site, and I insist that you refrain from using me to do so. Go back and delete my name out of your suggestive lyrics. I find it disgusting that a so-called believer would feel comfortable using sexual innuendos to insult women, but it's certainly not the first time it's happened. In fact, it is far more common than one might expect.

As these claims are both empty and defamatory, one might have expected you to back off, especially when I apologized for writing something that had no sexual reference to you, but which was taken as such. I apologized, in essence, for creating the conditions for your own negative subjective interpretation, just to defuse the environment here.

And yet you continued, and apparently are still locked in the same mental subroutine.

[_beastie]

As these claims are both empty and defamatory, one might have expected you to back off, especially when I apologized for writing something that had no sexual reference to you, but which was taken as such. I apologized, in essence, for creating the conditions for your own negative subjective interpretation, just to defuse the environment here.

And yet you continued, and apparently are still locked in the same mental subroutine.

I apologize for my faulty memory. It's been too long since we've been subjected to your lyrics.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Mr. Droopy joins Mr. Schryver:

beastie is "bad," i.e., a low down, dirty, maggot infested, commie-lib, good for nothing bottom feeding apostate (now, try to pull misogyny out of that. I dare you).

I wonder how that next temple recommend interview is gonna go...

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_beastie]

Mr. Droopy joins Mr. Schryver:

beastie is "bad," i.e., a low down, dirty, maggot infested, commie-lib, good for nothing bottom feeding apostate (now, try to pull misogyny out of that. I dare you).

I wonder how that next temple recommend interview is gonna go...

V/R
Dr. Cam

Oh, he's just bent out of shape because he couldn't deny that his lyrics regarding me were sexually suggestive. Now that he brought it up, I do remember him making questionable comments to other female posters, such as moniker. (here's a thread in which she listed all the suggestive things he said about her:
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But since droopy isn't an up and coming apologist, and actually not particularly a favorite of the notable apologists, his case is entirely different and not worth derailing this thread.

[_harmony]

Multiple suborned witnesses.

I need no witnesses. God already knows. No denial of Will's can penetrate that.

Please continue to procrastinate the day of your repentence, Will. I am not like Liz; I will demand public repentence. You cannot subvert the repentence process. We will all see the effect of your pride, and God is the one who keeps score.

Please... one more time: continue to procrastinate your repentence, Will. The Atonement doesn't work, if you don't follow the entire process. Either you believe in it, or you don't... and so far, "don't" is winning.

[_beastie]

Well, I'd say the defenders of the faith who have participated thus far on this thread have performed exactly as I would have predicted. So far, no surprises.

[_moksha]

I don’t think you know anything about my relationships with the people you seem to think constitute “1st class apologists.”

If they are embarrassed by me, it doesn’t show in the regular conversations I have with many of them.

I know what they think about the second-rate propaganda that emanates from The Great and Spacious Trailer Park™. And my popularity among them is directly proportional to the degree to which I have said what others only wish they might have said.

The bolded portions are of concern. Any of the apologists who have read this thread should be alarmed by Will's comments. My guess is they realize that what he said was wrong. I would like to appeal to their decency to discuss this matter privately with Will and see if there are any solutions to be had.

Everyone has their darker side and I can see how some people might take vicarious pleasure by watching someone say or do things that would otherwise offend their own sense of decency. This is the same force that helps keep such things as dog and rooster fighting happening in the empty warehouses of America. It's tawdry but it unfortunately has an appeal.

After saying this, I have to reflect back on my religous values and remember that all people by virtue of their humanity share an inherent dignity and as such deserve respect. This includes Will. No matter how he riles anyone, he is still our brother.

[_Simon Belmont]

Well, I'd say the defenders of the faith who have participated thus far on this thread have performed exactly as I would have predicted. So far, no surprises.

And so have the critics and anti-Mormons.

But I think about it this way: there is no doubt that MSJack's article provides evidence of Schryver's misdeeds here on MDB (focusing on misdeeds toward some of the women here). Her writeup is well documented and there can be little dispute that these things happened and were said by Schryver. MSJack also correctly states that most Internet posters at one time or another say nasty things.

That doesn't make them bad people.

So, who is going to make a list of the good things Schryver has said?


Edit: I don't condone mistreatment of women at all. I also don't condone mistreatment of men.