Poll: Evolution

[_Hoops]

I see that only about 10% of those who voted are complete idiots on this subject. Gives one a little hope (but not much) for the intelligence of the human race. Wonder how that compares to the US population in general.

I'm not sure how you can misread 65% as "about 10%", but you've managed. Lenscrafters?

[_Ceeboo]

Hello Hobble,

I see that only about 10% of those who voted are complete idiots on this subject.

Gee, thanks for that! (by the way: welcome to the board)

Gives one a little hope (but not much) for the intelligence of the human race.

As a "complete idiot", might I suggest that you should be very cautious when placing your "hope for the intelligence of the human race" on the results of a poll taken on a board where the majority of members used to be Mormon and are now firm atheists.

Just a thought. :)

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Some Schmo]

I see that only about 10% of those who voted are complete idiots on this subject. Gives one a little hope (but not much) for the intelligence of the human race. Wonder how that compares to the US population in general.

I wouldn't say creationists are complete idiots. Willfully ignorant of the relevant data, certainly, but not necessarily idiots.

[_Buffalo]

I believe God created man but that he did so millions of years ago

I believe that man created God but that he did so thousands of years ago.

QFT

[_Buffalo]

God is not recommending the smashing of babies' heads.

God was not instructing them what to do, He was telling Israel what would happen.

The happiness referred to in this verse is not true happiness. The Bible tells us of many who are happy and even by all appearances blessed, though their actions are evil. Some of those who are temporarily happy will face their judgement among the wicked.

Yes, but in the scripture I quoted God demanded the blood of infants, women and children. Nothing out of context about it.

Edit: scratch women. The Israelite men were to take the young girls "for themselves."

[_Ceeboo]

Good day, SS

I wouldn't say creationists are complete idiots. Willfully ignorant of the relevant data, certainly, but not necessarily idiots.

Given that there were only three choices in this poll, I chose the one that best describes my belief (God/Creator created humans, relatively speaking, in the form we see them now.)

Creationists and "young earth creationists" (earth only 6-10 thousand years old) are two very different things, in my opinion. (Perhaps someone who holds either belief would be considered "complete idiots" by some).

As I offered in a previous post, I am agnostic regarding how long humans have walked this earth (I lean towards a very old earth), but I do believe humans were created (by the Creator) as human beings.

Anyhoo, just wanted to offer my take that, given the poll choices available, the third one was the only one that did not have human beings evolving from simple life forms over millions of years (That, I do not believe).

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Some Schmo]

Anyhoo, just wanted to offer my take that, given the poll choices available, the third one was the only one that did not have human beings evolving from simple life forms over millions of years (That, I do not believe).

Well, if you allowed yourself to learn the relevant data and the finer points of the theory, it would be difficult for you to continue to deny it.

And it's the fact that religion does exactly this (stunt education of the facts/encourages willful ignorance) that I consider it abuse to indoctrinate children at a young age with religious hogwash. If we took away your desire to believe in god/god related stuff, evolution wouldn't be an issue.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey again, Some,

Well, if you allowed yourself to learn the relevant data and the finer points of the theory, it would be difficult for you to continue to deny it.

Well, at least you called it a "theory" (Take what we can :))

by the way: Are you suggesting that anyone who does not believe human beings are evolved from simple life forms are not "allowing themselves to learn the relevant data and the finer points of the theory"?

If so, might I suggest that there are people who are far, far more learned than both of us, that do indeed reject this "theory".

And it's the fact that religion does exactly this (stunt education of the facts/encourages willful ignorance) that I consider it abuse to indoctrinate children at a young age with religious hogwash.

Oh dear!

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Morley]

Hey again, Some,

Well, if you allowed yourself to learn the relevant data and the finer points of the theory, it would be difficult for you to continue to deny it.

Well, at least you called it a "theory" (Take what we can :))

by the way: Are you suggesting that anyone who does not believe human beings are evolved from simple life forms are not "allowing themselves to learn the relevant data and the finer points of the theory"?

If so, might I suggest that there are people who are far, far more learned than both of us, that do indeed reject this "theory".

And it's the fact that religion does exactly this (stunt education of the facts/encourages willful ignorance) that I consider it abuse to indoctrinate children at a young age with religious hogwash.

Oh dear!

Peace,
Ceeboo

You do know the definition of theory as regards science, right? That the sun is the center of the solar system is also a theory.

[_Some Schmo]

Hey again, Some,

Well, if you allowed yourself to learn the relevant data and the finer points of the theory, it would be difficult for you to continue to deny it.

Well, at least you called it a "theory" (Take what we can :))

Yes, it's a theory, just like gravity and biological conception are theories. Not too many people deny the theory of gravity, or disparage it as "just a theory."

by the way: Are you suggesting that anyone who does not believe human beings are evolved from simple life forms are not "allowing themselves to learn the relevant data and the finer points of the theory"?

Without a doubt. Whenever I hear a creationist arguing against evolution, the most alarming thing about their arguments is how much ignorance they demonstrate on the subject. When their entire understanding of evolutionary theory constitutes one giant strawman after another, it's hard to suspect otherwise.

It's either ignorance or they do know the data but are simply stupid/intellectually dishonest.

If so, might I suggest that there are people who are far, far more learned than both of us, that do indeed reject this "theory".

Like who?

Discovery Institute hacks don't count.