Husbands/fathers as spiritual leaders in the home

[I Have Questions]

I’m of the opinion it was to legitimise maintaining a patriarchy.

I mean that’s just it—if they had left things the same they would have had that. Why corrupt something that already gave you a patriarchy if that’s what you wanted?

And what would the doctrine of the Trinity have to do with a patriarchy?

You have to bear in mind Joseph was “new to market”. He had to think up ways to be different from the existing religions of the day. Of which there were a few as there was a religious fever in that time and place. He needed to be unique and stand out from the crowd. “The Restoration” narrative was just Joseph telling people all the other religions weren’t as good as his new one.

[Limnor]

You have to bear in mind Joseph was “new to market”. He had to think up ways to be different from the existing religions of the day. Of which there were a few as there was a religious fever in that time and place. He needed to be unique and stand out from the crowd. “The Restoration” narrative was just Joseph telling people all the other religions weren’t as good as his new one.

That’s a good point, and I think it is supported in the book. For example, I see Joseph reflected in Amalickiah’s flattery and promises to people.

[MG 2.0]

You have to bear in mind Joseph was “new to market”. He had to think up ways to be different from the existing religions of the day.

Yep. That's it! That's why he went through everything he went through in his life and ended up getting killed for his efforts. Maybe it was better/smarter that the other 'new comers' at the time played it safe.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

You have to bear in mind Joseph was “new to market”. He had to think up ways to be different from the existing religions of the day. Of which there were a few as there was a religious fever in that time and place. He needed to be unique and stand out from the crowd. “The Restoration” narrative was just Joseph telling people all the other religions weren’t as good as his new one.

That’s a good point, and I think it is supported in the book. For example, I see Joseph reflected in Amalickiah’s flattery and promises to people.

You can see the pattern later on too, whenever Joseph felt his power slipping, he came up with something spectacular. That’s how the First Vision came about, he had need of something to re-establish himself in the sector. A new product development, as it were.

[MG 2.0]

That’s a good point, and I think it is supported in the book. For example, I see Joseph reflected in Amalickiah’s flattery and promises to people.

You can see the pattern later on too, whenever Joseph felt his power slipping, he came up with something spectacular. That’s how the First Vision came about, he had need of something to re-establish himself in the sector. A new product development, as it were.

Isn't speculation wonderful? It gives you the opportunity, if you so choose, to dig deeply...think deeply...and reason out the world, religion, politics, etc.

Keep it up!

Regards,
MG

[Limnor]

Investigators may find that some speculation is more plausible than others. For instance, the idea that Joseph reflected his own experiences and companions in a book seems much more plausible than the claim that an ancient record, supposedly engraved on gold plates, was translated by looking at a stone in a hat, often without the plates even being present.

[I Have Questions]

Investigators may find that some speculation is more plausible than others. For instance, the idea that Joseph reflected his own experiences and companions in a book seems much more plausible than the claim that an ancient record, supposedly engraved on gold plates, was translated by looking at a stone in a hat, often without the plates even being present.

The church tends to get most of its convert baptisms nowadays from parts of the world that have more limited access to online resources and where they have had less exposure to Mormonism. Newer markets, as it were.

[MG 2.0]

Investigators may find that some speculation is more plausible than others. For instance, the idea that Joseph reflected his own experiences and companions in a book seems much more plausible than the claim that an ancient record, supposedly engraved on gold plates, was translated by looking at a stone in a hat, often without the plates even being present.

Again, isn't speculation and personal interpretation of all the information available wonderful? As we think deeply and use the brain which sits on top of our heads we can come to tentative conclusions.

I'm a bit wary of placing a 100% value judgement on many things. One poster, recently, seemed to have that degree of confidence. That's fine...but it should be pointed out that again, that confidence levels are often based on partial/pure speculation.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Investigators may find that some speculation is more plausible than others. For instance, the idea that Joseph reflected his own experiences and companions in a book seems much more plausible than the claim that an ancient record, supposedly engraved on gold plates, was translated by looking at a stone in a hat, often without the plates even being present.

The church tends to get most of its convert baptisms nowadays from parts of the world that have more limited access to online resources and where they have had less exposure to Mormonism. Newer markets, as it were.

African nations, for example. Although Starlink is making a dent. But yeah, not everyone has an internet connection.

Sadly, this results in some people not having access to the church website and scriptures. But I'm sure it's getting better thanks to Elon.

Regards,
MG