Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_Will Schryver]

Believe me when I say I have no illusions at this point concerning any influence I might have. I now start from the assumption that I have none.

You may have lots of influence in certain places, for all I know. I'm just saying that neither you nor your cohorts here have any influence when it comes to the caricatures you manufacture for propaganda purposes. It's just a game you play amongst yourselves.

You are the one who is obviously consumed with the task of bringing all kinds of attention to yourself.

I am?

What makes you say so?

As far as I can tell, your knowledge of me and what I do is entirely limited to our interactions on this message board. Outside the little realm of the GSTP, to what evidence would you point in support of your assertion that I am "obviously consumed with the task of bringing all kinds of attention to [myself]?"

I don't begrudge you that attention any longer. Enjoy it. Get what you can from it. I really don't care.

Apparently you care very, very much.

[_Runtu]

Believe me when I say I have no illusions at this point concerning any influence I might have. I now start from the assumption that I have none. Nor do I aspire to any.

I gave up a long time ago on having illusions of influence. I doubt very much that anyone pays much attention to you or me, so in that Will is right (I think he's lumping you in with me in the lack of self-awareness).

I also don't think so much of myself to imagine that there's some grand conspiracy of propaganda about me. About the only people who care enough to try and discredit me are Will and a few of his friends, and it doesn't matter to me how successful he is in that effort.

[_Will Schryver]

I said nothing of the sort.

I did hint that some people find your antics amusing.

Earlier Schryver

You might be interested in the fact that a couple people were once given the task of investigating the basis for the oft-repeated claim of my wanton vulgarity. What was the result of this rather exhaustive investigation? It was that, although a few minor blushes were induced (amidst the belly laughs[), there was deemed to be virtually no substantive basis for the allegations; quotes were found to have been routinely taken out of context, thus entirely altering their true meaning, and a large proportion of the "vulgarities" attributed to me were entirely fabricated out of whole cloth (like, for example, the frequently repeated allegation that I called the golden-haired Kimberly Ann a "whore.")

(Kimberly does remain somewhat famous [among a small circle of otherwise respected academics] on account of my descriptions of her having once squeezed her then more voluptuous spirit tabernacle into a slinky black three-sizes-too-small dress at the 2006 Exmormon Foundation conference in Salt Lake City, which I attended. One wouldn't have believed it possible to carry melons in a pair of thimbles suspended from a thread, but miracles happen almost every day in this jaded world of cynical disbelievers.)

It was, I must confess, ascertained that I did, in fact, obliquely refer to beastlie and dissonance (once each, as I recall) with variants on the appellative "bitch." But it was concluded that my judgment was so near to the facts of the matter that I could not be convicted by a jury of my peers. LOL! Nevertheless, I have long since refrained from any similar rhetorical excesses, notwithstanding the severe violence thus inflicted against my natural tendencies.

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by the way, the "investigators" who believe that you didn't call KA a whore must not be very familiar with the Book of Mormon.

I'm obviously familiar with my statement above. It does not contain a single reference to the Maxwell Institute. Nor should it.

By the way, I know several "respected academics" who have no association with BYU whatsoever, and never have.

Your comment (and this thread in general) simply underscores what I have always maintained: eisegesis is almost an universally manifest quality of the reading comprehension skills exhibited by inmates of the GSTP.

[_Runtu]

Your comment (and this thread in general) simply underscores what I have always maintained: eisegesis is almost an universally manifest quality of the reading comprehension skills exhibited by inmates of the GSTP.

That's a great tip, Will. The next time I say something mean-spirited, offensive, or even mildly icky, I'll just chalk up any objections to eisegesis. Either that, or I'll just claim I'm being witty, like Oscar Wilde. Brilliant.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Will:

I'm confused as to why you keep dodging. Do you feel badly, or ashamed, about the way you've behaved here on this messageboard? Earlier, per the material re-posted by Beastie, you were very clearly suggesting that Maxwell Institute "scholars" knew about and had no problem with your rancid and misogynist comments. Now, however, you're fleeing away in terror from this suggestion....

So, there are a few things worth asking here:

1) Are people at the Maxwell Institute (apart from DCP) aware of this thread?
2) If they *are* aware of the thread and its contents, what do they think?
3) If the are *not* aware of the thread, what would happen to your prospects for publication if they were to be notified of this thread?

I suppose, Will, that you can insist that you don't know/aren't sure whether the Maxwell Institute "scholars" know about your rotten behavior, but if that's what you're saying, I rather think that it's high time that they be notified.

Don't you?

[_Hades]

Rest assured, Will, that most critics of Mormonism are happy to see you behave like a jackass online.

Right off hand, I can't think of another less-self-aware apostate evangelist than yourself. As hard as it is to believe, I really think you were 100% serious when you wrote this line.

Now that's funny, coming from a man who can't keep from behaving like a jackass online.

[_Kishkumen]

That's a great tip, Will. The next time I say something mean-spirited, offensive, or even mildly icky, I'll just chalk up any objections to eisegesis. Either that, or I'll just claim I'm being witty, like Oscar Wilde. Brilliant.

I think everyone who is stupid enough to buy into that shtick is already committed to another fan club--Will's.

[_Kishkumen]

I'm just saying that neither you nor your cohorts here have any influence when it comes to the caricatures you manufacture for propaganda purposes. It's just a game you play amongst yourselves.

It's almost charming that you imagine this is news to me. As far as I am concerned, I'm simply happy to watch you behave like a caricature. It takes very little effort on my part. I just grab the popcorn and laugh!

f me and what I do is entirely limited to our interactions on this message board. Outside the little realm of the GSTP, to what evidence would you point in support of your assertion that I am "obviously consumed with the task of bringing all kinds of attention to [myself]?"

Will, you are a transparent egomaniac. You seem to be the only person who either doesn't see it or doesn't choose to acknowledge it. Your scholar's pose has been so laughably over the top, what with all of your announcements of game-changing discoveries and your fustian rhetoric, that it just screams "look at me, I'm really important!"

Apparently you care very, very much.

If by "very, very much," you mean as much as I care about catching Seinfeld reruns for recreational amusement, then you have me dead to rights. You are certainly great cheap entertainment. Thanks.

[_beastie]

I'm obviously familiar with my statement above. It does not contain a single reference to the Maxwell Institute. Nor should it.

By the way, I know several "respected academics" who have no association with BYU whatsoever, and never have.

Your comment (and this thread in general) simply underscores what I have always maintained: eisegesis is almost an universally manifest quality of the reading comprehension skills exhibited by inmates of the GSTP.

There's something poetic about the defense of Schryver echoing the worst of LDS apologia.

[_Will Schryver]

Do you feel badly, or ashamed, about the way you've behaved here on this messageboard?

I think my posting record makes it abundantly clear that (with the exception of those few things for which I have apologized) I neither feel badly, nor am I ashamed of anything I have posted on this or any other message board.

Earlier, per the material re-posted by Beastie, you were very clearly suggesting that Maxwell Institute "scholars" knew about and had no problem with your rancid and misogynist comments.

I have suggested no such thing, nor does the "material" posted by beastlie support your assertions otherwise, and I adamantly deny ever having made "rancid and misogynist comments."

Now, however, you're fleeing away in terror from this suggestion....

Ever the fantasist ...

1) Are people at the Maxwell Institute (apart from DCP) aware of this thread?

Not to my knowledge.

2) If they *are* aware of the thread and its contents, what do they think?

If they *are* aware of this thread, I imagine most of them view the GSTP much as I do.

3) If the are *not* aware of the thread, what would happen to your prospects for publication if they were to be notified of this thread?

I have reason to believe those prospects would be substantially enhanced.

I suppose, Will, that you can insist that you don't know/aren't sure whether the Maxwell Institute "scholars" know about your rotten behavior ...

It is quite difficult for anyone to "know about" something that only exists in the minds of small group of apostate evangelists.

... but if that's what you're saying, I rather think that it's high time that they be notified. Don't you?

I strongly encourage you to do what you think is best. I am convinced that, ultimately, I can only benefit from a wider dissemination of the truth.