Schryver from Kinderhook Bomb

[_ELYSAB]

As result of great enlargement of each character, required for its close examination and translation, and to put into some standard position and classified as standard type of "character",

It started to "SPROUT" some evidences of mistakes on made general translation procedure made with the CARACTORS LIST and also with the KINDERHOOK PLATES. Thus they are being revised character by character, carefully, slowly. And some WORDS are appearing from it.

Thus contrarily to my personal believe, the list believed to have only CHARACTERS have shown to have some WORDS (maybe even some "phrases"???): to be evaluated. Thus I was "forced" to revise my biased first hand conclusions.

In fact Joseph Smith's CARACTORS LIST and KINDERHOOK PLATES have several points in common, quite like following some same principles, philosophy and purposes, from Ancient days. Quite for keeping secret and in suspension some information that were to be well searched but toward the wrong direction and goals by the wrong Wises of Zion.

We can see that the very start of the Document "Headed" with the Title of CARACTORS, by the very hand of Joseph Smith, was a mixture of SEVERAL DISTINCT CHARACTERS, quite like CLUMPED as if just one.


http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/836edd477c7ed10609521e6bc133cce4969b945c3566f6933e02aaae2b1472ae6g.jpg
CLICK on URL and see the IMAGE very much enlarged. You can see that Joseph Smith did quite like with REAL INTENTION, since the very beginning, to make the document CARACTORS very "obscure" for ZION's WISES of SLC, quite like academics of BYU and FAIR and similar in opposition... We can understand very similar techniques were used in KINDERHOOK. Thus both were "misunderstood" documents for intellectual people.
CLICK TO SEE VERY MUCH ENLARGED...

It was very clear real INTENTION of Joseph Smith when put SHADOWS on the exact nature of the "CARACTORS" as a document to not be UNVEILED (also the true Geography of Book of Mormon) by the type of Zion's Wiser and others, for them remain OBSCURE. When in fact Caractors were something alike KINDERHOOK CHARACTERS in nature, quite alike having use of SUPERIMPOSITION and use of DUMB lines in relation to a given Character being evaluated. All that foolished Zion's Wises, that could never IMAGINE that CARAC would be ancestor of "Latin/French-Portuguese CARACtere " and nothing to some to do, but much less, with English "CHARAC": English is a much corrupted Nephitic language. As Nephitic and Sabellicus once were just one language... corrupt added toward all branches, ways, ITI-neraries along language corruption. What about the meanings of the first WORD found in the list provided in the document "CARACTERS", written by JOSEPH SMITH?

It is written in the 5th position CHARACTERS, from left to right since the start of the document CARACTORS. It is very clearly written I-T-i, with the entire 3 CHARACTERS quite like well "welded" on the branches of the "middle character", one "t". It is quite like a lower case "t"and its "foot" extremity points to the right. That suggests that such writer was writing from left to the right, contrary to my opinion. Maybe it was indifferent if it was to write to one or other direction, but there are some letters (as L) pointing toward the left... But the general inclination of the letters is toward the right: writing was to right...
The translation, now in so greatest enlargement for each character, is not more being made in the sequence A to Z, but is going in parallel for all characters, and even translating also Kinderhook all together.

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/2527e3e2e12709709bc7054d1b68a53fa880dba25aba31c653addaccc203831c6g.jpg
VERY ENLARGED IMAGE if you click on previous URL

ELYSAB

[_Equality]

Makes about as much sense as Bradley's theory, I'll give it that.

[_ELYSAB]

We may have an idea of what is alread translated and also is already quite like well REVISED, after the first and previous translation and revised that was already posted about some part of the character A, yesterday (see previous posted material).

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/62be3524babab99d07c1917ca51513d4d4eca6da03253b76ad5f9522ab1b91256g.jpg

Click and see the VERY ENLARGED image of the several characters that are alrady considered finished, from KINDERHOOD PLATES and from the LIST CARACTOR. Such image can be seen directly in small size next:


ELYsab
You can see that the majority of the characters are "bended" toward the right direction, suggesting they wrote and read toward the right.

[_ELYSAB]

Dear Deacon.
You made this following comment that appears to be very absurd.

Much more absurd is that I LIVED SUCH ABSURD ARGUMENT... OF SPACE.

_________________
"Try imagining this: In an educational debate class you were assigned the topic of advocating for a flat earth and were told to defend the premise that such a earth exists. Bet you would err on the side of humor [instead of] presenting verified photos of a flat earth from space."--moksha
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WHAT I WILL TELL CAN BE VERIFIED IN ORTHODOX JEWISH SITES OF USA AND OF ISRAEL, where I have plenty sites. I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THE HISTORY IS PUBLICALLY AVAILABLE OR some details are JUST FOR INTERNAL USE (as some persons are import even in Obama's government)...
In the end of 1.999 I was preparing the examination tests for my University students (I teach classes since 1968... I am not yet retired. I retired early this year... But University asked me to return... and I am back) and also I was providing grades to tests and design made by my students. It was quite late and all of my family was sleeping. Great silence.

Then I heard somebody ask me to stop my work and clean my very large desk (1.5m x 3.5m). I found it amazing, as nobody was around... Could it be an evil spirit? I had fear... Even I being an elder, LDS. Thus I decided to pray under fear.

Then suddenly I noticed that a great peace came over me and that such peace was in me and I that had not more fear. And the voice explained again to provide a space on the big table to make a drawing, as with white paper (21cm x 30 cm) and materials for making a drawing by hand, with all type of pens and pencils. It was not to use computer or library.

When ready, I got informed to make the drawing of "garden of eden and eden" in exactly "one hour". I refused as it was not my field of knowledge and He could go to BYU... But I was told to obey because I was to learn while making the drawing.

It was like being on outer space, not in orbit, but stoped 1,200 km ? over a fixed ground point, for one hour (LIKE YOUR COMMENT, on TAKING PICTURE from SPACE). And trying to reproduce the GEOGRAPHY as seen from the space. And I was examining it from so many millions and millions years ago, Adam and Eve's days... Strange Earth...

Next day I heard it was to provide the publication in the BEST local newspaper (I heard some "warning" because I was going to publish in the least expensive newspaper a very short/mysterious message...) that it was found the location of the Garden of Eden and Eden, as if found a lost old map... And also I went to a Public Notary to have some legal indication of the date on the "old map" it was unveiled.

I became informed that the map was for the Jews and not for the LDS (as BYU, FAIR, etc.). Thus it was provided a mean for that. In very few days they received it and were working with it: the rabines made me so many questions...

But they were so "happy", even receiving a "scratch" of something that had come from the "space and from the very old past", as if from a "gift" and that they were not forgotten "for ever". They knew that before the End of the Days they were to be remembered again.

And a great and long work of SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH started, for many and many and many years, going on, with so many published results.
Something impossible with the Zion's Wises of LDS. But it was possible with Zion's of Washington and of Israel. They have no bias with Latins.

And their Rabines were very happy in providing the help they could.

Thus something may come from space and teach us how flat we are.

Something very special took place in Washington, with one of them. Maybe the result of using the priesthood, even at the so greatest distance. But it was very helpful. In fact some healing Jesus provided without placing his hand over the person. Even Paul. Thus priesthood, for healing, may act even over very long distances and religions...
.......... From honorary "RABINE" Savelli (tittle is not for "Religious" purpose), but in fact is LDS and HIGH PRIEST and ELDER

ANTHON's CARACTORS UNVEILED by MODERN SCIENCE ...

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CHARACTERS BOOK Mormon FOUND WITH USA INDIANS IN PETROGLYPHs: both are in OSCO LANGUAGE (GREEK-ITALIAN) It is quite ...

[_ELYSAB]

FOUND TWO MORE "WORDS" in the CARACTORS DOCUMENT

It appears we found two more WORDS from the list prepared by Joseph Smith, with Characters copied from Gold Plates of Book of Mormon. And such list of Characters being Headed (titled) as CARACTORS and sent to the USA scientist ANTHON and copy of it is plenty available in WEB sites.

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/37c70af163c6ff917c54bceea0f03d5d67db9d6e28aa592c0377a9407550b9686g.jpg Click and see such two new words, very enlarged, obtained from the document CARACTORS made by Joseph Smith from Gold Plates of Book of Mormon.

Without such enlargement you can see such words just below.



The first line with characters, from the CARACTORS document, is at the positions 10, 11 and 12 of CARACTORS. You can see such 3 characters make a "group", quite like typical of any GROUP of CHARACTERS generating a WORD in our modern LANGUAGES... HUM! Think about. Reason!

Probably the "R" (from "Ro" character, in Sabellicus, not Greek) is in UPPER-CASE. This could explain why it was written "over" the other characters (just a guess). Notice that the "turned around" part of the "R" is pointing toward the "left", as it is usual in the Sabellicus Sabina, which is written toward the LEFT (in opposition to Greek which is toward the RIGHT, as is in LATIN and modern Languages...).

What could be written? "RIL"? in real life would be the natural gathering...

Maybe we have two "I" characters (none "L") and the R. The under horizontal line (not being a character) is just to indicate the "lower case" for the Character "R".

We can expect this because such "L" is very "strange" pointing to the RIGHT (as direction to read) when the "R" is pointing the direction to read to the LEFT (as in Sabellicus).

Conclusion: the correct appears to be " i r i " (the 3 characters being LOWER CASE, as the 3 are united by the horizontal line indicating "lower case", a situation like in character 6 which is for "Greek SIGMA".... being "s" and not "S").

Thus for the first line with characters the word is " i r i" (lower case), a word that appears in so many places in Book of Mormon and others. As spIRIt(s), desIRIng and similar.

The second line is quite simpler. It is about Ri. The "size" of the characters suggests that R is upper-case and "i" is lower-case. What is the probable meaning of "Ri"? It is "laugh", result of being happy, etc. It is very clear that "Ri" compose ONE WORD, so close are the characters, as if any word made by two modern characters, as "GO" order in a phrase with "GO" having spaces separating such "cluster" from other isolated or group of characters.

[_ELYSAB]

GOOD NEWS about the CARACTORS (NEPHITIC) and KINDERHOOK (very old NEPHITIC, quite like PHOENICIAN in transition to GREEK) being translated to MODERN CHARACTERS.

It was noticed that some CHARACTERS were POINTING toward reading to the LEFT (the usual for SABELLICUS, to differentiate the slave language from Greek's lords language in Greece) or to the RIGHT (the usual pattern for the GREEKS and for the LATIN languages.

We already noticed in the list of Characters named "CARACTORS" that both directions were apointed by the details of the CARACTORS, as the horizontal directions of the "L" (departing from the vertical axis) as if working as "arrows" pointing to the reading direction. Also we have similar "imaginary arrow" provided by the "Ro" character, in conflict with the "L" direction. Also the inclination of the characters, in relation to the standard vertical position, points to the direction of reading...

How could we have a people that could ALTERNATE the way of reading from one line to the next line? One line reading toward the right and the next reading toward the left? That is what the list of characters in CARACTORS is suggesting. It is quite like in now quite uselles typewriters, as I havfe some (not more in use) at the end of typing one line, not returning the printer head some 30 cm and moving to the next line, to start typing the next text. Instead just advance to the next line and start typing in the reversed direction and with reversed type of Characters... As the NEPHITES were doing: could do.

After making a search in the WEB, I found one solution and much more:

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/etruscan.htm

Etruscan alphabet

The Etruscan alphabet developed from a Western variety of the Greek alphabet brought to Italy by Euboean Greeks. The earliest known inscription dates from the middle of the 6th century BC. Most Etruscan inscriptions are written in horizontal lines from rigth to left, but some are boustrophedon (running alternately left to right then right to left).

More than 10,000 Etruscan inscriptions have been found on tombstones, vases, statues, mirrors and jewellery. Fragments of an Etruscan book made of linen have also been found. Etruscan texts can be read: i.e. the pronunciation of the letters is known, though scholars are not sure what all the words mean.

Archaic Etruscan alphabet (7th-5th centuries BC)

http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/etruscan1.gif
This collection of characters is reading toward the LEFT. Look at the L.

Sample text in Etruscan
(Texts of Book of Mormon on GOLD PLATES had this APPEARANCE):

http://www.omniglot.com/images/langsamples/smp_etruscan.gif

NOTICE that in the document CARACTORS it is missing the use of "DOTs" (points) to separate the WORDS. We can explain that because the document CARACTORS was not to present WORDS "but" CHARACTERS (the document is on "CARACTORS", not on TEXT, on WORDS). And thus instead of using DOTS, they were replaced by SPACES in BLANK.

[url]http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/tombs.html[/url]

See the very ancient TOMBS in Italy, of the Sabellicus (Etruscs?), quite like the origin of the INDIAN MOUNDS found in USA for BURIALS.

See one of such TOMBS in ITALY, nearby ROME, of YEAR 500 B.C.

presented in site:
http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/54967-1921-book-of-mormon-geography-hearings/page__st__80
Showing that the SABELLICUS (Etruscans?) CHARACTERS that were engraved at the entrance of so Ancient tomb, on stone head wall, can be read exactly well with Joseph Smith's CARACTORS list, as you see:
http://img9.mediafire.com/88dabbca9cf702b886e3bcd95a913ca48b641763dfb3d41236e61269f57c09bb6g.jpg
Notice that there are TWO "L", on the very ANCIENT NAME on the head carved on rock, at the entrance of the TOMB. Notice that one is pointing toward one direction and other is pointing toward the other direction. Thus it was not CRITICAL the direction toward what write...


One general site on the ETRUSCANS: http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/


And also there is another site about the OLD ITALIC CHARACTERS (quite like in parallel with the Etruscans). In practice all of them mixed as ROMANS.

http://pages.uoregon.edu/klio/rr/02-Old%20Italic%20alphabets.htm

Old Italic alphabets

Origin
The Old Italic alphabets developed from the west Greek alphabet, which came to Italy via the Greek colonies on Sicily and along the west coast of Italy. The Etruscans adapted the Greek alphabet to write Etruscan sometime during the 6th century BC, or possibly earlier. Most of the other alphabets used in Italy are thought to have derived from the Etruscan alphabet.

Ancient Latin
The earliest known inscriptions in the Latin alphabet date from the 6th century BC. It was adapted from the Etruscan alphabet during the 7th century BC. The letters Y and Z were taken from the Greek alphabet to write Greek loan words. Other letters were added from time to time as the Latin alphabet was adapted for other languages.

http://pages.uoregon.edu/klio/rr/Old%20Italic%20alphabets_files/ancientlatin.gif


Here in the character "A" we can see so strange type of "A" that are so frequently presented in the Kinderhook plates. Some also are shown in CARACTORS document, but are rare cases. They are quite like of very ancient Phoenician origin, never of Greek origin. They are the result of the slavery narrated in Joel 3:6, as the Greek used a well done and well shaped "A" character, not these barbarian and brute "A" from the Phoenicians. Some H I listed as N, but in fact they are H, as it is clear even to "see" them as "H"... nothing justify having selected them as N, except the lack of much better information.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Joseph Smith holds Oliver Cowdery after being chased by anti-Mormons:



V/R
Dr. Cam

[_ELYSAB]

WHAT IS the "REFORMED EGYPTIAN" we can "see and read" from the document "CARACTORS" (written by Joseph Smith himself) and on the "original" KINDERHOOK plates?

Ours is the final language that was originated from Ancient initial EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE, and that suffered many TRANSFORMATIONS, in several Steps along the stages of lives of Israelites as they were DISPERSED from ISRAEL toward PHOENICIA (nowadays LEBANON) and then to GREECE, as it is reported by prophet JOEL 3:6.

From Greece some ISRAELITES were moved to ITALIA = ITA + LIAH, which means ITA=DESCENDENTS OF + LIAH = Jacob’s wife = Israel’s wife. Thus they were moved to Israel’s DESCENDENTS LAND = ITALIA. Thus they were moved into "another LAND OF REFUGE": for Israelites. Quite like for the 10 tribes that conquered the 2 tribes land. Thus all 12 tribes judged, sentenced and killed Jesus Christ: is it nice?

LIAHona = LIAH's + ONA ("ona" means something BIG=IMPORTANT in Sabellicus language and even in nowadays Latinized languages). We may guess LIAHona departed from ITAliah to EGYPT with NEFITES (NEPHITES is phonetic) with LERRI (LEHI is phonetic). There they built the town NEFIch, "for the NEFITES" in Egypt, at the place where it is nowadays important Egyptian ISMAILIA TOWN.

http://maps.google.com.br/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:pt-BR:official&hl=pt-BR&tab=wl

Nowadays Nefich became just a suburb (neighborhood) of the town Ismailia. And its name was turned to Nafishah. In a radius of 7 km around Nafishah lives 124,561 persons (according the Tourism Office of Egypt... well, it is the population of ISMAILIA. Ishmael and Nefi continue together... even nowadays. Good friends.).

http://mapcarta.com/13049058
Just click on such URL and you will see a site on MAP of modern town of ISMAILIA (Ishmael’s town) and of NEFI's town (NEFIch town) with its modern Arabic name NAFISHAH. The use of SH + AH is quite redundant (ignorance) in relation to original CH (of 600 B.C.) as "possessive form". All 3 ways mean the same thing... Land of Nefites.

Just move the image to see a little bit down and you will see the COLORED DROP (of some ORANGE COLOR) pointing to the position of NEFICH (maybe a little to the left and upper position... no problem! I have the more correct position from the French topographic precise map used in the design of Suez Channel, with the correct location of the original Nefich and it was next to the CHANNEL going to LEFT, to Cairo, the Nile River, and it was made by the NEFITES). Also it included the branch going "down", to the BITTER LAKES and then to the RED SEA. Only the channel going up is novelty, FRANCE/Suez project.

You may control, at the left side, the elevation of the "helicopter", to see the "image" of the region as seen from greater elevation or nearer to the ground (map at greater scale).




Notice that the FIRST LANGUAGE was EGYPTIAN. And it was REFORMED first into a SEMITIC LANGUAGE. The PROTO-SINAITIC.

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/protosinaitc.htm

Proto-Sinaitic / Proto-Canaanite

The Proto-Sinaitic script was the first alphabetic writing system and developed sometime between about 1900 and 1700 BC. People speaking a Semitic language and living in Egypt and Sinai adapted the Egyptian hieroglyphic or hieratic scripts to write their language using the acrophonic principle. This involved choosing about 30 glyphs, translating their Egyptian names into the Semitic language, and using the initial sounds of those names to represent the sounds of their language.
The script was partially deciphered by Alan Gardiner in 1916.
------> Thus people trying to create HOAX with KINDERHOOK could not know about several DETAILS that were UNVEILED MUCH LATER....

Proto-Canaanite is a name used for a version of the Proto-Sinaitic script as used in Canaan, an area encompassing modern Lebanon, Israel, Palestine and western parts of Syria. It is also used to refer to an early version of the Phoenician script as used before 1050 BC, or an ancestor of the Phoenician script. --->

---->PHOENICIAN AS THE NEXT STAGE OF REFORMED EGYPTIAN. NEXT CAME THE GREEK LANGUAGE. NEXT CAME THE NEPHITIC LANGUAGE AND SABELLICUS. NEXT CAME THE LATIN AND LATIN LANGUAGES (including influences in languages like English, Russian, and many others...).

A small number of Proto-Canaanite inscriptions dated to the 17th century BC have been found in Canaan. Most are short and were probably written by Semitic-speaking travelers or soldiers from Egypt.


Notable features
•Type of writing system: consonant alphabet (abjad)
•Direction of writing: variable ---> SOMETHING I HAVE OBSERVED IN "CARACTORS" and also in KINDERHOOK (it comes from REFORMED LANGUAGE FEATURE, since the BEGINNING..., IT IS PHOENICIAN AND GREEK, also, as I CHECKED).
•Used to write: a Semitic language called Canaanite or Paleo-Hebrew (QUITE COMMON IN CHARACTERS AND TEXTS FOUND IN USA...).

Proto-Sinaitic / Proto-Canaanite script---->
---> FIRST REFORMED EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE <------
This is one version of the Proto-Canaanite script using Phoenician/Hebrew alphabetical order. The actual arrangement of letters used is uncertain. Most letters have more than one shape.

http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/protosinaitic.gif


A sample of a very old script in REFORMED EGYPTIAN is provided next, and is of 1,500 years B.C. From Serabit el-Khadim, Sinai Pennisula

[_ELYSAB]

It was possible to make the careful TRANSLATION of all CHARACTERS from the first top line of the document CARACTORS, a list made by Joseph Smith through the copy of some characters from some Gold Plates used for translation to generate the English Version of Book of Mormon.

Each CHARACTER, from the document CARACTOR, that is in the first line, received a special attention in the sense of identifying the original linguistic source used to originate such CHARACTER (mainly if it was originated from ITALIAN Geography, or from Greek language or from Phoenician language or else). Thus for each CHARACTER it is provided the reproduction of the ORIGINAL CHARACTER used, as by NEPHITES writers to generate the CARACTOR's character. And it was checked if they were writing toward right or to left. Or we verified if they were alternating such direction of writing. They did it...

In fact some short words (or parts of words) were written in the first line of "Caractors". And some "words" (never "phrases") are quite evident, important and very used in their language, even to write Book of Mormon, as it was written in quite like an Italic Language... With some minimal of Greek and Phoenician: just a “seasoning”.

[_Droopy]

Will's disgusting antics over the past year...

This individual is now the reigning Ayatollah of irony. Its super. Its colossal. Its SUPERCOLOSSAL.

Did he do something crazy like call Emma Smith a bitch? Did he accuse his critics of sodomy? No, nothing so innocuous as that.

If all your gutter level adjectives aimed at even your most civil opponents were placed end on end, my boy, they'd reach all the way to Metcalf's glow-in-the-dark hypocephalus.

More irony, Kevin. Rev up the engine a bit...

Instead, Metcalfe dared to offer criticism of Dan's close associate, John Gee. So now, Dan no longer addresses anything Brent Metcalfe says.

Is this really accurate, or, as usual, are you making it up as you go along?

They have no chance of being friends anymore. Likewise, he absolutely refuses to address anything I have to say, other to than to keep reminding everyone he doesn't want anything to do with me.

Who does, Kevin? If you were an EV, the only people who would want to hang around with you are people like Ed Decker, the fundamentalist version of your own orgiastic secular bigotries.

Why? Apparently, because he thinks my spiritual deficiency and apostate demeanor is contagious, or whatever.

Its ugly and revolting, but hardly contagious, I would think.

But Will Schryver can call women whores, so long as he's using scripture to do it. He can also invoke images of some of the most disgusting sex acts, and that's fine by Dan.

Is it now? Has Daniel actually expressed that it is? Its fine with him? I myself expressed clearly here that I thought some of Will's statements in his more intemperate moments was improper. On the other hand, Will characterized his posts of this kind accurately as both extremely rare and "PG" rated.

The cries of "vile" and "filthy" and "sick" and "misogyny" were, in no sense, either ingenuous or proportioned. They were, as the witch hunt proper made clear, a character assassination device, and nothing more. The abyssal hypocrisy of many of Will's biting horseflies in attacking him for being crude, vile, and foul mouthed almost broke my jaw as it hit the edge of my computer desk on its way to the floor.

You should be ashamed for still carrying on with this infantile intellectual mobocracy.