Brian Hale's FAIR Presentation on Sexual Polyandry

[_Madison54]

Runtu has posted his thoughts on Hale's presentation over on his blog:
http://runtu.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/j ... polyandry/

[_Cicero]

I still am having a hard time understanding why it somehow doesn't count that Emma complained and was unhappy with the situation. Why are we only looking to see if other husbands complained or were unhappy about it?

Part of the issue is that Emma is considered "old news" among apologists. It's generally known and accepted that Emma was not happy with Josephy's polygamy (even a lot of so-called "chapel Mormons" are aware of it), and so many apologists and historians tend to ignore the issue because they don't have anything "new" to say, and it is important to have something "new" to say when you are trying to get attention (and a publisher) for your research. I find Emma fascinating myself. Mormon Enigma was very good, but I think that a great deal of new material could be written about Emma. Hopefully, Blixa will find the time soon.

Besides the fact that that environment did not foster public complaints or critisism. We have seen what the consequences of that were (in the cases where complaints were made).

No kidding . . . complaining or even mentioning Joseph's polygamy meant speedy excommunication and ostracization.

For all we know the locked up pioneer journals are full of complaints! That is a lot of supressed evidence about the early days of the church and the Joseph Smith time period.

I'd start with William Clayton's diaries myself if I had supernatural powers.

[_Fence Sitter]

Mormon Enigma was very good, but I think that a great deal of new material could be written about Emma. Hopefully, Blixa will find the time soon.

I am tempted to start a sock puppet named Nomadknowsmyhistory that is very critical of Emma just to motivate Blixa.

[_Blixa]

I still am having a hard time understanding why it somehow doesn't count that Emma complained and was unhappy with the situation. Why are we only looking to see if other husbands complained or were unhappy about it?

Part of the issue is that Emma is considered "old news" among apologists. It's generally known and accepted that Emma was not happy with Josephy's polygamy (even a lot of so-called "chapel Mormons" are aware of it), and so many apologists and historians tend to ignore the issue because they don't have anything "new" to say, and it is important to have something "new" to say when you are trying to get attention (and a publisher) for your research. I find Emma fascinating myself. Mormon Enigma was very good, but I think that a great deal of new material could be written about Emma. Hopefully, Blixa will find the time soon.

Thanks for that vote of confidence, Cicero, but it won't be me doing that work. I have to keep myself very focused for the next couple of years and anyway I probably have more work in the pipeline than I have years to live. I don't really even have the expertise a person would need for that task.

But, I really want to see more work done on Emma and I'm more than happy to contribute with scholarly encouragement and support.

Edited to add: et tu, Fence Sitter? C'mon, that's not helping me! I gots enuff on my plate!!!

[_Nevo]

Quinn's response provides evidence that Joseph may have been having sexual relations with Flora Woodworth Gove, Elvira Cowles Holmes, Mary Heron Snider, Esther Dutcher Smith, and Hannah Smith Dibble.

If anyone is interested, here is the portion of Daniel Wells's letter to Joseph F. Smith that discusses Esther Dutcher Smith:

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It would be nice to know what is in the redacted part.

[_Bob Loblaw]

If anyone is interested, here is the portion of Daniel Wells's letter to Joseph F. Smith that discusses Esther Dutcher Smith:

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It would be nice to know what is in the redacted part.

Thanks for that Nevo. How common is it for a museum or a library to redact a letter that is more than 130 years old?

[_just me]

If anyone is interested, here is the portion of Daniel Wells's letter to Joseph F. Smith that discusses Esther Dutcher Smith:

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It would be nice to know what is in the redacted part.

Thanks for that Nevo. How common is it for a museum or a library to redact a letter that is more than 130 years old?

I am sad that there is a big chunk blacked out.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

At first blush, I thought Brian's case was decent, but not too convincing. After reading Quinn's response (date June 2012), I don't think Brian's position holds any water.

How can I get my hands on Quinn's June 2012 response?

[_dblagent007]

At first blush, I thought Brian's case was decent, but not too convincing. After reading Quinn's response (date June 2012), I don't think Brian's position holds any water.

How can I get my hands on Quinn's June 2012 response?

The best way is to ask Fence Sitter or Just Me to email a copy to you.

[_MsJack]

At first blush, I thought Brian's case was decent, but not too convincing. After reading Quinn's response (date June 2012), I don't think Brian's position holds any water.

How can I get my hands on Quinn's June 2012 response?

Or me. I can send you a copy, too.