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_Drifting
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Re: Late Anger

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why me wrote:
Drifting wrote:
^What a stuipid statement.

Your best mate informs you that your wife is having a long term affair with the pool boy.
You cannot prove it false.
Does it make sense to be angry?


No. I would find out if it is true. And if so, I will get angry. But I can't get angry without proof. But I can have feelings of mistrust among other things.


So what kind of proof would you require to prove it true other than that gut feeling of mistrust you mentioned?
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Re: Late Anger

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why me wrote:It doesn't make sense to be angry about something that can't be proven false. It is one thing to be disappointed, quite another to be angry. Some angry exmos claim that joseph conned them. Not true. No proof of a con. None...zilch.


Again, according to you It doesn't make sense to be angry without proof. But spending a lifetime being a member of the LDS church without proof is reasonable.
That's a ridiculous double standard.
Also the fascilimiles are proof as far as I'm concerned.
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_hobo1512
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Darth J wrote:
hobo1512 wrote:The fact is, the Catholics face up to their problems. They don't hide them, deny them, or try to change them the way the mo's do.

Big Difference.


You sure you want to go down that road, hobo?

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/O ... inales.pdf

Do you want to talk about why punitive damages have been awarded against several dioceses in lawsuits over child sex abuse by Catholic priests?

You're missing my point, which is, Whine me seems to think it is only a Catholic problem, which it isn't.

I don't care if it is Catholic, Mormon, baptist, etc. If in fact the abuse is true, then nail their butts. Simple as that.

We have to keep in mind how much of these kinds of cases are swept under the rug so to speak through private settlements. It is a horrible problem no matter who does it.

But again, in defense of the Catholics, they don't try to make the victim out to be the villain like the Mormons do.
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_Kishkumen
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Hasa Diga Eebowai wrote:Since the identities aren't conflated because they don't share the same name it isn't such an obvious issue but I view a statement like:

Look at the Jews they killed the prophets and God how abhorent.

To be on par with a statement like:

Look at the polynesians they were a blood-thirsty, idolatrous, ferocious, idle, lazy, and filthy people if only they'd accepted God.

Like I said though I probably am over sensitive to the issue, and I don't think Frank meant it in a way that was anti-semitic, he was probably just repeating what he views as a history of the Jews rejecting God and then it punishing them and making life difficult for them until they accept it again.


Well, I don't know exactly what Franktalk meant, but he wrote about the "Jews at Jerusalem," when he might have simply written "the Jews." From a historical standpoint, the Jews in Rome, Antioch, Alexandria, and Babylon were also "Jews," but they were not "at Jerusalem." So his statement, to my reading, sounds like someone discussing the "Carthaginians at Rome," or the "Syrians at Athens." If I were to speak of some negative thing one of those groups did, it would not necessarily be "anti-Punicism" or "anti-Syrianism."

Hasa Diga Eebowai wrote:I don't think Christians are the only ones who need to change their religious texts to remove or modify discriminatory language about other groups. Nuanced readings are important, but sometimes I wonder how much of a difference they actually have when I see the way religious texts are being understood and applied in the world. While Paul may not have been an anti-semite the majority of christians probably aren't reading his texts the way he intended them to be read.


I really balk at the idea of changing the text to suit whatever ideological purposes a particular group has. Joseph Smith changed some language in the Book of Mormon regarding ethnicity issues--"white and delightsome" became "pure and delightsome"--but he was the translator and the prophet. I think the key is responsible interpretation--the ability to see that the scriptures are good to think with, but not necessarily providing ideal models for personal or community behavior. I say leave it in and have the discussion.

Sure, one can chuck the whole notion of sacred texts, I suppose. But editing them willy-nilly to make them less offensive according to current standards is to do violence to history. It is a kind of lie.
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Franktalk wrote: What you say offends me so are you going to stop with your posts?


Hasa Diga Eebowai wrote:Wow, I never asked you to stop with your posts. I guess you don't mind saying offensive things to others, but can't take it when something offends you?


I guess I will have to be more clear with you. I was mimicking your hurt feelings. I want more people posting not less. I was trying to show you that the hurt / offended argument is something the liberals have worked into an art form. But it is worthless around people who wish to debate ideas and not feelings. If you wish to debate ideas then do so but using the hurt/offended tactic does not work and it places you as a weak person with weak ideas. Even if you have a good argument and good ideas if you instead use the hurt / offended approach you will look shallow and weak.

Franktalk wrote: What a dumb unrealistic criteria you have.


I guess you missed the connection when I said "you" have.

Franktalk wrote: If you are easily offended that is your problem not mine. Don't come to a place where people with different opinions come to argue.


Hasa Diga Eebowai wrote:Isn't being offended an opinion, Frank, and don't I have just as much right to be offended by things you say as you do things I say? This is the second time you've told me not to post here, thanks for uninviting me Frank, but I think I'll stay. What you don't seem to get is that people expressing their offense or dislike of something is a legitimate form of expression. It's called free speech and happens all the time.


Post away but bring more than a crying towel.

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why me wrote:
Or better yet, ask what exactly are you angry about? To my knowledge the LDS church has not been proven false. No secret rough draft has been found, no confessional letter from Joseph Smith has been found, Know letter from sidney rigdon exists where he claims to be the author. Now, I can understand if these things were discovered that anger would come because there would be proof. But no proof exists.

So, what is the anger about? Now that would be a good question.


I think most people have a different idea about what proof is. It's a very good that they do, or our prisons would be almost empty with confessions being needed for proof.
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Drifting wrote:What a stupid statement.

Your best mate informs you that your wife is having a long term affair with the pool boy.
You cannot prove it false.
Does it make sense to be angry?
why me wrote:No. I would find out if it is true. And if so, I will get angry. But I can't get angry without proof. But I can have feelings of mistrust among other things.
Drifting wrote:So what kind of proof would you require to prove it true other than that gut feeling of mistrust you mentioned?

For example the confession of the wife.

Which can cause mixed feelings - not necessarily anger -, as in the old jewish joke:

Rosalee, Kohn's wife:
- I want to say you something important.
Kohn:
- ?
Rosalee:
- The dick of all your friends are smaller than your one.
Kohn:
- Nu, rose garden of my life, you can make me happy and sad at once...
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Ok that was funny but needs an [/img].
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