LDS things that are false if cafeteria Mo's are right

[_Darth J]

I threw that out as something frivolous.

I see. I guess the problem is that your assertions are so ludicrous, it's impossible to tell when you're attempting to make a serious argument, and when you are being frivolous.

[_SteelHead]

Hate to tell you this nc, but you are not the only bright boy on the board.

[_nc47]

Hate to tell you this nc, but you are not the only bright boy on the board.

never said I was.

[_SteelHead]

"Don't mess with the Asian math kid" or some such.......

[_SteelHead]

Bump for Tobin on the resurrected Jesus not being aware that Noah was just a myth.

[_Tarski]

You can't demonstrate the logical consistency of any system. Goedel's impossibility theorems.

I think you better think harder about demonstrations, proofs, formal systems and mathematics generally.

With regard to your statement let me just quote Panu Raatikainen (my emphasis added):

"Second incompleteness theorem. For any consistent
system F within which a certain amount of elementary
arithmetic can be carried out, the consistency
of F cannot be proved in F itself.
It is important to note that this result, like the
first incompleteness theorem, is a theorem about
formal provability (which is always relative to some
formal system). It does not say anything about
whether, for a particular theory T, the statement “T
is consistent” can be proved in the sense of being
shown to be true by a conclusive argument or by an
argument acceptable by mathematicians. For many
theories, this is perfectly possible."

[_SteelHead]

Oh noes.....! Somebody slapped down the asian math kid.

[_Brackite]

Just a FYI - 3 Nephi 22 is a citation of Isaiah 54 (Isaiah is someone else that did not know or ever meet Noah).

The Phrase "saith the Lord" from Isaiah Chapter 54:

Isaiah 54 (KJV)


54 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the Lord.

2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;

3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.

4 Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.

5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

6 For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.

7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.

8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer.

9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.

10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the Lord that hath mercy on thee.

11 O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colours, and lay thy foundations with sapphires.

12 And I will make thy windows of gates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones.

13 And all thy children shall be taught of the Lord; and great shall be the peace of thy children.

14 In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee.

15 Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake.

16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.

[_SteelHead]

Oh snap! And now Tobin gets a smack down.

We need better quality apologists, these here are weak sauce.

[_Tobin]

Just a FYI - 3 Nephi 22 is a citation of Isaiah 54 (Isaiah is someone else that did not know or ever meet Noah).

The Phrase "saith the Lord" from Isaiah Chapter 54:

So what? This is something that Isaiah wrote. It is claimed that the Lord said this. Now ask yourself these questions: Were you there and did you hear the Lord say this to Isaiah? Were you there when Jesus Christ supposedly quoted these writings? This is not proof that Noah existed. Proof he existed would be some ancient artifact dating from when it was believed he lived (like a giant ark) or something that states his name on it and that he was a survivor from a catastrophic flood. That is the difference.

Your arguments are getting rather stupid Brackite. Have you been taking lessons from SteelHead?