What Women Know...and interesting letter

[_Jason Bourne]

In October 2007, Julie B. Beck, president of the Latter-day Saint women's organization, the Relief Society, gave a speech in the semiannual worldwide General Conference titled “Mothers Who Know.” Beck's focus on LDS families, and more particularly on the role and influence of mothers, is a subject close to our hearts.

Who are we? We are women who differ in age, income, race/ethnicity, and marital status. Many of us are mothers, some with exceptionally large families. Some of us are grandmothers and great-grandmothers many times over. Some are young mothers, with infants and elementary-age children. Others of us—for reasons of biology, opportunity, or choice—do not have children. Some of us have never married. Some of us are single because of divorce or widowhood. A few of us have been with the same partner more than 50 years. We all work—paid or unpaid, both inside and outside our homes. We share many decades of church service among us. In fact, our LDS background is our common denominator.

Several ideas within the body of President Beck's talk conflict with our inspiration and experience. We are authors of our own lives, and this is the story we know to be true:..........

See here for the rest of the letter:

http://whatwomenknow.org/whatwomenknow/index.html

[_harmony]

In October 2007, Julie B. Beck, president of the Latter-day Saint women's organization, the Relief Society, gave a speech in the semiannual worldwide General Conference titled “Mothers Who Know.” Beck's focus on LDS families, and more particularly on the role and influence of mothers, is a subject close to our hearts.

Who are we? We are women who differ in age, income, race/ethnicity, and marital status. Many of us are mothers, some with exceptionally large families. Some of us are grandmothers and great-grandmothers many times over. Some are young mothers, with infants and elementary-age children. Others of us—for reasons of biology, opportunity, or choice—do not have children. Some of us have never married. Some of us are single because of divorce or widowhood. A few of us have been with the same partner more than 50 years. We all work—paid or unpaid, both inside and outside our homes. We share many decades of church service among us. In fact, our LDS background is our common denominator.

Several ideas within the body of President Beck's talk conflict with our inspiration and experience. We are authors of our own lives, and this is the story we know to be true:..........

Amen, and amen.

I can't get the email link to work. Do you know what the email address is?

[_Jason Bourne]

Email:

whatwomenknow@gmail.com

[_Jason Bourne]

Harmony


Since the link is giving you trouble (it works for me) here is the letter:

What Women Know


Fathers as well as mothers, men as well as women, are called to nurture. Nurturing is not confined to mothering or housekeeping, but is a universal attribute that communicates patience, peacefulness, and care.

Individuals and relationships flourish when we are able to share not only our strengths but also our mutual imperfections and needs. It is difficult to be compassionate with ourselves and others when we internalize injunctions to perform (e.g., “the highest-performing sister missionary,” “the best homemaker in the world,” “the most patient and loving mother”). Motherhood and sisterhood cannot be reduced to the performance of narrowly-prescribed tasks, but emerge from who we know ourselves to be.

Cleanliness depends upon access to resources and has more to do with priorities than purity of heart. We do not place the additional burden of “outward appearances” on our sisters who are hauling fuel and water long distances; who are struggling with poverty, isolation, or ill health; or who choose values that take precedence over orderly living quarters and polished looks.

Housework is something that grownups do and that children learn by example and instruction. Unfortunately, women and girls still perform the bulk of the world's low-paid and unpaid labor, including housework—often at the expense of their own education, leadership, creativity, health, and well-being. Men and boys who share care-work and household responsibilities make it possible for all family members to live happier, more fulfilling lives.

We reverence the responsibility to choose how, when, and whether we become parents. Many of us have adoptive and foster children and grandchildren from diverse ethnicities and cultures. We have given birth to children who range widely on every dimension—from personality, appearance, and sexual identity to physical, social, and mental ability. No matter what their differences, we care for them all.

Effective parenting is a learned behavior, and, as parents, we learn and grow with each child. Children come with their own gifts, challenges, and freedom of choice. We reject teachings that encourage women to shoulder ultimate responsibility for every aspect of child-rearing and family life, and to take on shame and guilt when things do not go according to plan.

The choice to have children does not rule out other avenues of influence and power. By valuing ourselves as lifelong achievers, apart from our roles as mothers, friends, partners, sisters, aunts, and grandmothers, we stand for creativity, public service, competence, and growth. We take joy in the collective contributions we make in the fields of government, medicine, academia, law, journalism, human services, business, art, health care advocacy, music, technology, child development, and science.

When it comes to employment, most women prefer the luxury of choice to the limitations of necessity. Women-friendly policies such as flex-time and comparable pay for women and men, access to health care, family leave for births and care-work, and affordable, high-quality childcare give all of us—single or partnered, impoverished or privileged—greater choice in how to support ourselves and our families.

We work because we want to; because we need to; and because we have no other choice. We know that “children are more important than possessions, position, and prestige.” Some of us have been thrust into the position of sole economic support of our children through desertion, divorce, domestic violence, or death. Indeed, too many of us have learned that we are just one fully-employed male away from poverty.

Men are our fathers, sons, brothers, partners, lovers, and friends. Many of them also struggle within a system that equates leadership with hierarchy and domination. We distrust separate-but-equal rhetoric; anyone who is regularly reminded that she is “equally important” is probably not. Partnership is illusory without equal decision-making power.

We have discovered that healthy relationships are equitable relationships. A relationship that is balanced in terms of economic and emotional power is safer and more resilient than a relationship in which one partner holds most or all of the power. Women with active support networks and marketable skills have greater options, not only in relationships, but in life.

We claim the life-affirming powers of spirit, breath, and wisdom, and reject the glorification of violence in all its forms. We are filled with unutterable sadness by the Book of Mormon story of more than 2,000 young soldiers whose mothers teach them that faith in God will preserve them in battles in which they kill other mothers' children. This is not a success story. It is a story of the failure of human relationships and the horrors of war. In a world that has grown increasingly violent, we believe that one of the most important passages in LDS scripture is D&C 98:16: “Therefore, renounce war and proclaim peace. . . .”

Our roles as mothers, sisters, daughters, partners, and friends are just a few of the many parts we will play in the course of our lives. We may influence hundreds, perhaps thousands of lives. But we are not our roles. We are created in the image of the divine—women of worth in our own right, in our choices, in our individuality, and in our belief that the life story we are ultimately responsible for is our own.

[_Gadianton]

hmm... the canned vs. canned wars continue.

Fathers as well as mothers, men as well as women, are called to nurture

did beck say they weren't? Guys who can nurture in all the ways women can are a little weird.

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the highest-performing sister missionary,

did beck say you had to be the highest-performing sister?

Cleanliness depends upon access to resources..

The Xhosa were hands down the best housekeepers on the planet when I was in SA. I chose values above orderly living but I shouldn't. I think I've also suffered because of it in ways. I'm really trying to do better.

women and girls still perform the bulk of the world's low-paid and unpaid labor..

world economic problems are going to take some work, if there are even answers at all, niether beck nor her detractors have the answers.

Many of us have adoptive and foster children and grandchildren from diverse ethnicities and cultures. We have given birth to children who range widely on every dimension—from personality, appearance, and sexual identity to physical, social, and mental ability. No matter what their differences, we care for them all.

I'd be interested in what beck said that contradicted this.I haven't read becks talk, but i have my doubts about her reviewers on this site. Further, these details didn't seem to follow from the bolded preface.

The choice to have children does not rule out other avenues of influence and power

oh, so women can be power hungry too. just what the world needs, more people who want to give the orders. I do agree women can be mothers and still do other things. to do both well probably takes some special talent.

Women-friendly policies such as flex-time and comparable pay for women and men, access to health care, family leave for births and care-work, and affordable, high-quality childcare give all of us—single or partnered, impoverished or privileged—greater choice in how to support ourselves and our families.

this is getting ridiculous. did beck say that companies shouldn't provide health-care and flex-time? Men also, by the way, like the luxuries of choice as opposed to the "limitations of necessity" and to work where there are good benefits.

Indeed, too many of us have learned that we are just one fully-employed male away from poverty.

if i had to guess, beck probably doesn't have a back-up plan, and hasn't needed one. in today's world, going blindly into full-time mothering certainly has some severe risks. i would doubt beck said anything against single mothers working rather than letting their kids starve. i'd wager her issue is one of putting all her eggs in one basket, pardon any possible puns.

We are filled with unutterable sadness by the Book of Mormon story of more than 2,000 young soldiers whose mothers teach them that faith in God will preserve t

well yeah, the Book of Mormon is lame. i for one am not filled with unutterable sadness over its teachings though. I am filled with joy over the good ammo it gives me to put the church down.

[_harmony]

women and girls still perform the bulk of the world's low-paid and unpaid labor..

world economic problems are going to take some work, if there are even answers at all, niether beck nor her detractors have the answers.

Read her talk and then comment, Gad. Your ignorance is showing.

. I do agree women can be mothers and still do other things. to do both well probably takes some special talent.

How generous of you. Do you agree that men can be fathers and still do other things too?

this is getting ridiculous. did beck say that companies shouldn't provide health-care and flex-time? Men also, by the way, like the luxuries of choice as opposed to the "limitations of necessity" and to work where there are good benefits.

Read the talk, then comment.

Indeed, too many of us have learned that we are just one fully-employed male away from poverty.

if I had to guess, beck probably doesn't have a back-up plan, and hasn't needed one. in today's world, going blindly into full-time mothering certainly has some severe risks. I would doubt beck said anything against single mothers working rather than letting their kids starve. I'd wager her issue is one of putting all her eggs in one basket, pardon any possible puns.

You might want to get some background on Beck too. Seems you're a bit ignorant about that too.

We are filled with unutterable sadness by the Book of Mormon story of more than 2,000 young soldiers whose mothers teach them that faith in God will preserve t

well yeah, the Book of Mormon is lame. I for one am not filled with unutterable sadness over its teachings though. I am filled with joy over the good ammo it gives me to put the church down.

That's because you don't believe it, and because of that disbelief, aren't effected the same way these women are, when potshots are lobbed at them from the pulpit in the Conference Center.

[_Gadianton]

Read her talk and then comment, Gad. Your ignorance is showing.

No interest. I'd rather be ignorant of some things.

Do you agree that men can be fathers and still do other things too?

they can, but men for which career and success is first priority ought to think about whether they really want to be fathers.

and because of that disbelief, aren't effected the same way these women are, when potshots are lobbed at them from the pulpit in the Conference Center.

trust me, these women don't believe it either. I'm sure beck is annoying. these women have a high degree of moronity going on themselves, however.

[_Jason Bourne]

Wow the number of signers has increased quite a bit.

A lot of men have signed to led by John Dehlin.

[_The Nehor]

Forwarding the whole list to the SCMC.....you will soon hear of the December Eighty.

[_moksha]

Forwarding the whole list to the SCMC.....you will soon hear of the December Eighty.

Talk about a PR nightmare if this happened. Hopefully Elder Packer will not react to this.