Scratch and Ray comments

[_Ray A]

Is this hypothetical girl a blonde or a brunette?

Does it matter? She might have a degree in law. Or is the colour of her hair more important? Yeah, bimbos all, blonde or brunette.

No, I don't take your "joke" CK. Because this is no joking matter. And you don't have to bear any responsibility for what is posted here. Those who do should rethink.

[_Mister Scratch]

Is this hypothetical girl a blonde or a brunette?

Does it matter? She might have a degree in law. Or is the colour of her hair more important? Yeah, bimbos all, blonde or brunette.

No, I don't take your "joke" CK. Because this is no joking matter. And you don't have to bear any responsibility for what is posted here. Those who do should rethink.

Such as who, Ray? And what? Does your calling people "liars" count? Or your claims that folks here are akin to Hitler and the Nazis? Should I feel libeled by such crap that routinely flows from your vitriolic and volatile mind? What about your old pal, DCP? Is he guilty of libel on account of his Quinn stuff? Or his Ritner gossipmongering? Please, Ray---do tell.

[_Ray A]

Is this hypothetical girl a blonde or a brunette?

Does it matter? She might have a degree in law. Or is the colour of her hair more important? Yeah, bimbos all, blonde or brunette.

No, I don't take your "joke" CK. Because this is no joking matter. And you don't have to bear any responsibility for what is posted here. Those who do should rethink.

Such as who, Ray? And what? Does your calling people "liars" count? Or your claims that folks here are akin to Hitler and the Nazis? Should I feel libeled by such crap that routinely flows from your vitriolic and volatile mind? What about your old pal, DCP? Is he guilty of libel on account of his Quinn stuff? Or his Ritner gossipmongering? Please, Ray---do tell.

Calling someone a liar isn't necessarily defamatory. My local paper, in response to a budget, ran a headline "Lies, lies, lies". They knew they could not be sued because it was not directed personally. But the fact, Scratch, is that you ARE a liar. And Keene can easily establish this by going into our respective PMs, and checking dates and replies. If this came to a court case, I could PROVE that you are an unabashed LIAR! And that you alter posts to favour yourself. The evidence is there, all of it.

There is not, on the other hand, one shread of concrete evidence that DCP is "guilty" in the case of Quinn. You have not provided ONE quote from DCP in this regard, to prove your case. Only innuendo, extrapolation. In my case, I can prove that you altered your post to give MDB posters a FALSE impression of what you really wrote. In other words, you are a LIAR, and a deceptive person, and the hard evidence is there, but only available to those who have access to PMs, for hard evidence.

So let me repeat, you are a LIAR. A manipulator, and you don't deserve to be taken seriously because, fundamentally, you are a dishonest person.

And the evidence is there, in black and white.

[_Mister Scratch]

There is not, on the other hand, one shread of concrete evidence that DCP is "guilty" in the case of Quinn. You have not provided ONE quote from DCP in this regard, to prove your case. Only innuendo, extrapolation.

Bull. I have provided beaucoup quotes in which DCP refers to Quinn as "untrustworthy," or a sinner, or whatever else. You must be blind to not see this. Further, how would you characterize DCP's mentioning of Quinn's supposed involvement with a "sad incident"? Is that considered "innuendo, extrapolation" in your book, mate? Would you like to review all the evidence again?

In my case, I can prove that you altered your post to give MDB posters a FALSE impression of what you really wrote. In other words, you are a LIAR, and a deceptive person, and the hard evidence is there, but only available to those who have access to PMs, for hard evidence.

So what, Ray? Have you forgotten about your refusal to submit evidence to Shades? You and I both know that you altered posts, hence your refusal to fork over evidence. Does that make you a "LIAR"?

[_Ray A]

So what, Ray? Have you forgotten about your refusal to submit evidence to Shades? You and I both know that you altered posts, hence your refusal to fork over evidence. Does that make you a "LIAR"?

I know you are utterly, unimaginably, corrupt.

You know what a flaming liar you are. You know it. I know it. God knows it. And one day, my fiend, you will become unfolded, and ALL will see what a liar you are. You will drown in your own hypocrisy as you continue to accuse and attack others. You are beneath any human dignity. You are a coward, a liar, and, to be blunt, human crap. And as long as you continue to try to lay the blame on me for what YOU did, you are in the worst category of humanity, in my opinion.

You stink! You absolutely stink.

[_Mister Scratch]

So what, Ray? Have you forgotten about your refusal to submit evidence to Shades? You and I both know that you altered posts, hence your refusal to fork over evidence. Does that make you a "LIAR"?

I know you are utterly, unimaginably, corrupt.

You know what a flaming liar you are. You know it. I know it. God knows it. And one day, my fiend, you will become unfolded, and ALL will see what a liar you are. You will drown in your own hypocrisy as you continue to accuse and attack others. You are beneath any human dignity. You are a coward, a liar, and, to be blunt, human s***. And as long as you continue to try to lay the blame on me for what YOU did, you are in the worst category of humanity, in my opinion.

You stink! You absolutely stink.

Ray, would you like somebody to call the Waaaaaahhh!!mbulance for you? You are such a little baby, blubbering about getting your butt kicked, and still smarting at being held accountable for your questionable behavior, such as your flip-flopping, or your bizarre posts about this supposed "Mormon Holocaust". You try to wear the mantle of the fair and even-handed judge, but the truth is that you are little more than an angry sinner who resents having his sins exposed to the light of day. I urge you to re-read Elder Featherstones, "A Self-Inflicted Purging," Ray. I think it's just the antidote for your rank hypocrisy and dishonesty.

[_Ray A]

Ray, would you like somebody to call the Waaaaaahhh!!mbulance for you? You are such a little baby, blubbering about getting your butt kicked, and still smarting at being held accountable for your questionable behavior, such as your flip-flopping, or your bizarre posts about this supposed "Mormon Holocaust".

I think you have an obsession with "butt kicking", an imaginary one.

You try to wear the mantle of the fair and even-handed judge, but the truth is that you are little more than an angry sinner who resents having his sins exposed to the light of day. I urge you to re-read Elder Featherstones, "A Self-Inflicted Purging," Ray. I think it's just the antidote for your rank hypocrisy and dishonesty.

Really now? Not at all, I'm a happy sinner, right there in the mold of the Jefferson Epicurean. Unfortunately, you don't have a brain, so you can't comprehend that.

What could be more hypocritical than someone like you, who claims to be a Mormon, claims to have a stake president (but would shudder if he read what you write here, and probably excommunicate you, an anonymous coward who constantly attacks others but fears reprisals), and claims to "love the Church" (but also don't care for it, another Scratch contradiction), lies and distorts the truth, constantly attacks basic Mormon beliefs, all in order to "steady the ark". You have a bloated opinion of yourself.

You must also have a worse case of Cog. Diss and double personality than Jekyll and Hyde. How do you live with this? Can I help you with name removal? For your own sanity?

[_Mister Scratch]

Really now? Not at all, I'm a happy sinner, right there in the mold of the Jefferson Epicurean.

Your actions contradict your words. You have exploded, on numerous occasions, claiming that your "character has been blackened," when your "happy" sins have been exposed. You see, Ray, I think that you are deeply embarrassed about some of the things you've done in your life. And yet, you consistently come back with this utter garbage about how you are a "Jefferson Epicurean." Sure, mate. I bet you enjoy trying to salve over your flip-floppery while you contemplatively sip your Chateau Haut Brion, just like good ol' T.J.!

This so called "happy sinning" is a complete myth. If you'd like, I can put up a fresh thread, culled straight from ZLMB, and we'll see just how "happy" and "epicurean" you are concerning your past sins. I'd be willing to bet that all of us would be in for yet another of your foam-flecked eruptions.

You must also have a worse case of Cog. Diss and double personality than Jekyll and Hyde. How do you live with this? Can I help you with name removal? For your own sanity?

No, Ray. Instead, you can apologize for your many personal attacks against me, such as your suggestion that I'm on a par with the Iraqi minister of propaganda, or your picture of "me" as a fox in a suit, claiming that's what I looked like on my mission.

You really are a vindictive and angry person, aren't you, Ray?

[_Ray A]

No, Ray. Instead, you can apologize for your many personal attacks against me, such as your suggestion that I'm on a par with the Iraqi minister of propaganda, or your picture of "me" as a fox in a suit, claiming that's what I looked like on my mission.

You really are a vindictive and angry person, aren't you, Ray?

Apologise to you? Go Scratch yourself. And as for your threats, I could do the same and embarrass a number of people here, some former apologists now against the Church. I could put up statements Bob McCue made as a believer which now directly contradict his current stance, and could make him look foolish. You carry the same spirit as those who tried to expose McCue by distorting context, and changed circumstances. This is not my style, and I'd rather not embarrass others who have made genuine changes in their lives, to try to spite you.

Every post or thread you do is a personal attack of some sort, or an attempt to "expose" others for hypocrisy or inconsistency, but you, coward, remain anonymous and incognito so others cannot do likewise to you. You are a bully and blackmailer.

I find you to be the most unprincipled, and quite frankly, the most vindictive poster I've encountered on the Internet. You feed on negativity and the humiliation of others in order to "boost" your own image and "smartness".

Apology? Shove it up your arse.

[_harmony]

I'm with whoever said we're all adults here (I think it was Liz).

I am aware that there is a slugfest going on right now on this thread; I haven't read any of it. I'm ignoring both Scratch and Ray's conversation, just scrolling right through it. That's how I ignore people.

If someone finds the discourse here too juvenile or not scholarly enough, I suggest starting one's own thread and directing the flow by asking that off topic comments be split off. However, expecting the LDS members to sit down and shut up when a thread is about LDS history or doctrine (although I love the idea of tracing doctrinal shifts, especially if they could be placed along side similiar shifts in the outer culture) is too much like the critics are supposed to do on MAAD: sit down and shut up. If you don't want to engage the members, don't engage them. Ignore them. Their conversation may continue as effortlessly as the Scratch/Ray conversation continues on this thread. Let it.