Calling resident Mesoamerican goddess....(thats you Beastie)

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Calling resident Mesoamerican goddess....(thats you Beastie)

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On MAD, the following image was posted. I have to admit, I'm puzzled.

http://research.famsi.org/uploads/mayav ... s/1182.jpg

If you look about 3/4 to the right, it appears that a woman is riding a deer!

Here's another:
http://research.famsi.org/uploads/mayav ... s/3069.jpg

Image

I know there is a good explanation for this. Could you enlighten me?
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What's the claimed source for the image?
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skippy the dead wrote:What's the claimed source for the image?


Not sure. I'll ask.
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Post by _beastie »

IIRC, it's a goddess riding the deer. I'll see if I can look up the reference, but it may take a while.

Never mind, it looks like Hashbaz gave you the name of the goddess, although he then screwed the pooch by speculating that this probably meant humans rode deer, too. Snort.
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Post by _beastie »

Here's a citation that may help:



Rollout photography, which allows the scenes to be viewed in their entirety, facilitates their study. 4 The presence of glyphs on these vases also aids our investigation. As is often the case with Maya artifacts, the personages on the vases are identified by name glyphs. These names combine a number with an image of an animal or object. The numbers are written in the Mesoamerican bar and dot system in which a bar is five and each dot is one. In the rollout above, seen from left to right are five figures: A to E. Identified by the name glyph positioned by his feet, Figure A is 9-Jaguar. He wears a monstrous bird headdress and rides (or grapples with) an animal that may be a strange peccary or hornless deer, recognized by its cloven hooves and long ears and snout.


http://www.famsi.org/research/kerr/arti ... index.html

It's not talking about the same image, but same general idea.

And this:

25 - Zip - Protector of the Deer (according to myth
the Deer created the Vagina of the Moon
Goddess by stepping on Her abdomen and then
she was able to bear children of the Sun
God. Note the sole of deer's foot looks like
a Vagina). Zip would deceive hunters to
believe he was shooting a deer when in fact
it was a iguana (a sacred animal of Itzam
Na; to kill one incites the Death penalty).
To those who gained Zip's Favor meant a
successful hunt.


http://www.sacred-texts.com/bos/bos193.htm
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Post by _Scottie »

beastie wrote:IIRC, it's a goddess riding the deer. I'll see if I can look up the reference, but it may take a while.

Never mind, it looks like Hashbaz gave you the name of the goddess, although he then screwed the pooch by speculating that this probably meant humans rode deer, too. Snort.

Yep, I was just going to post that here.

I'll help you out - she's the Moon Goddess. And the dude riding a peccary is the god Itzamnaaj. And the deer as a beast of burden is a "mythological" scene.


Thanks anyways!
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