Latest Church 'statement' on gay marriage ....

[_harmony]

Hi C-T, you sound almost too sensible and pragmatic to be here. I agree, it is "a loosing battle for the church." History will repeat itself, given time... Welcome! Looking forward to reading more from you... Warm regards, Roger :-)

I'm sure we will all be reading more from him... it's Port, our resident jerk.

[_The Nehor]

Homosexuality was outlawed precisely because it was NOT recognized as a healthy relationship, but rather, as a perversion.

The Lord, via Jacob in the Book of Mormon, referred to polygamy as an "abomination." In light of D&C 132, He apparently had changed his mind by 1843. ;)

No, he said whoredoms were an abomination. That and the way many of the men in Jerusalem treated their wives was also an abomination. That pesky text keeps getting in the way of random accusations.

[_The Nehor]

it's Port, our resident jerk.

Hey, I thought that was my title.

[_harmony]

The Lord, via Jacob in the Book of Mormon, referred to polygamy as an "abomination." In light of D&C 132, He apparently had changed his mind by 1843. ;)

He never changed his mind, which is why Sec 132 fails as scripture.

Joseph didn't have much insight into the future, when he let this one slip by. Or maybe someone who was a more moral man than he was wrote Jacob 2.

It's interesting that homosexuality never made it to the top of God's abominable poll, while polygamy did.

[_harmony]

No, he said whoredoms were an abomination. That and the way many of the men in Jerusalem treated their wives was also an abomination. That pesky text keeps getting in the way of random accusations.

Whoredoms = polygamy. Not even a man saying solemn words over the heads of those women could change the sow's ear of polygamy into anything other than what they were: women who were bought and paid for, traded like cattle, worthless except to satisfy the basest of their owners' wants. Abomination indeed.

Not my family. I may have married into those who were unfortunate enough to have fallen into that pit, but thank God for the few who stood up to the basest of men, even while they dishonored the prophetic mantle.

[_The Nehor]

No, he said whoredoms were an abomination. That and the way many of the men in Jerusalem treated their wives was also an abomination. That pesky text keeps getting in the way of random accusations.

Whoredoms = polygamy. Not even a man saying solemn words over the heads of those women could change the sow's ear of polygamy into anything other than what they were: women who were bought and paid for, traded like cattle, worthless except to satisfy the basest of their owners' wants. Abomination indeed.

Not my family. I may have married into those who were unfortunate enough to have fallen into that pit, but thank God for the few who stood up to the basest of men, even while they dishonored the prophetic mantle.

Nope, sorry. Indignation does not let you change what words mean.

Whoredom
1. The practice of accepting payment in exchange for sexual relations; prostitution.
2.
a. Unlawful sexual relations.
b. Promiscuous sex.
3. Bible Unfaithfulness to God; idolatry.

So Jacob was condemning unlawful (by God's law) sexual relations and presumably promiscuous sex justified by a casual appeal to some ancient kings. Nothing to do with polygamy.

[_neworder]

One thing I never understood is in Jacob 2:24 it states

Jacob 2:24
"Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord."

and then in D&C 132:39

D&C 132:39
David’s wives and concubines were given unto him of me, by the hand of Nathan, my servant, and others of the prophets who had the keys of this power; and in none of these things did he sin against me save in the case of Uriah and his wife; and, therefore he hath fallen from his exaltation, and received his portion; and he shall not inherit them out of the world, for I gave them unto another, saith the Lord.

In the Book of Mormon God states that many of his Wives and concubines were abominable before him and then in the D&C he states that his many wives and concubines were given to him and he did not sin by having them.

Which one is it or am I missing something?

[_GoodK]

You are sure of this how exactly?

This helps:

I claim divine revelation.

You can claim the reasoning of your fallible mind.

For some reason you think you have some sort of infallible personage telling you you homosexual marriage is wrong. That is the extent of your knowledge on the subject, Nehor.

Some invisible sky monster said it is wrong to be gay. Wrong! Look, he even told these old dudes in the Middle East two thousand years ago that it was wrong. Look at this book, it even says he said so.

How convincing. No wonder people are becoming more and more impatient with religion.

You can say I am wrong. I'm not exactly sure how you can claim with certainty that you are right.

It's easy to know. If your Mormon version of God - or even the generic Christian version - or even the generic Muhammadan version - does not exist, you are wrong.

Homosexuality has been embraced by societies in the past. It was then villified again.

What do you mean by embraced?

Homosexuality has never been immoral.

Based upon what criteria?

A non-religious one.

[_The Nehor]

Uhhhh.....GoodK. My point was that you can't be certain you're right. Go ahead and think I'm wrong.

Previous societies have accepted homosexuality as acceptable (for a time) and then after that experiment it was villified again. Why do you think they discarded it so often after trying to allow it openly? Could it be that the effects aren't worth it?

[_GoodK]

Uhhhh.....GoodK. My point was that you can't be certain you're right. Go ahead and think I'm wrong.

Yet you can be certain. Interesting.

Previous societies have accepted homosexuality as acceptable (for a time) and then after that experiment it was villified again.

I don't know what "previous societies" you are talking about. Sodom and Gomorah?

Why do you think they discarded it so often after trying to allow it openly?

I don't think "they discarded it so often" so you'll have to be a little more specific.
Frankly, I think you are making this up like you made up that "sexual libertine socities" fail after a few generations.