Mormons for Marriage: apostate?

[Analytics]

I have a Mormon friend who favors the views on mormonsformarriage.com However, looking at the page I can't help but think that it misses the most important point: either the Qo12 are inspired when they have CA saints support California Proposition 8, or there's really no reason to be a Mormon instead of (say) a Baptist.

Thoughts?

Also, from the site

Do we really want the government to be able to define what is and what isn’t a morally justifiable lifestyle? The primary responsibility of government is to defend and protect our inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and the primary role of the Constitution is to limit what the government can or cannot do. Constitutions are not places to delineate what citizens can or cannot do. If two consenting adults wish to marry, do we really want to grant the government the power to prohibit them from doing so?

Well, we already are that way. We disallow marriage between siblings. We legislate what is or isn't a morally justifiable lifestyle (decency laws). Why, we even have places banning certain foodproducts (hydrogenated oils, If I recall correctly).

I don't blame gays for fighting for what they want. I just don't find this site very compelling.

And who, exactly, will define what is moral and what is not?

How about God through the prophets and apostles?

[_Gadianton]

Well, I'd be inclined to agree Asb, but then again, I was a Chapel Mormon. Internet Mormons make it very easy to disagree with you, because they can simply claim that this is only the opinion of the brethren. Not that most Internet Mormons would in this case as Internet Mormon + apologist = racist around 90 percent of the time. But their logic leaves that option open.

[_harmony]

I have a Mormon friend who favors the views on mormonsformarriage.com However, looking at the page I can't help but think that it misses the most important point: either the Qo12 are inspired when they have CA saints support California Proposition 8, or there's really no reason to be a Mormon instead of (say) a Baptist.

Thoughts?

Wasn't it McConkie who told us all to disregard all the 12 had said about blacks and the priesthood, prior to 1978? That they saw imperfectly?

Those who were wrong before can and will be wrong again. It is the nature of men to be wrong... and an imperfect vassel will automatically put his own spin on any God-given inspiration, assuming, of course, that they even asked.

My own mantra: a primary source is always better than a secondary source. Trust God, not men... not even Baptist men.

[_asbestosman]

My own mantra: a primary source is always better than a secondary source. Trust God, not men... not even Baptist men.

In other words, trust women? ;)

[_collegeterrace]

Being an LDS member in "good standing" has always been more about following the leaders of the Mormon church than about following and worshiping God and Jesus Christ.

You will listen to the leaders and you must worship God/Jesus according to the definitions and protocol as designed and directed by Joseph Smith and the men who followed him.

Look at the 11 temple recommend questions specific to being Mormon:

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

- 13a Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
- 13b Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

[_bcspace]

Mormons for Marriage: apostate?

Yes.

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

No liberal, left-winger, socialist, feminist, practicing (or sympathetic to the lifestyle) homosexual, or Democrat can answer this question truthfully with a "no".

[_Scottie]

My personal thoughts on this...

This slippery slope argument is ridiculous. SO WHAT if I want to marry my sibling. As long as we don't have children, who cares??

SO WHAT if I want to be a polygamist. As long as both parties are willing, why should the government say no?

SO WHAT if I want to marry another man.

I think the government should step out of marriage altogether and let it be a religious custom. If the LDS church doesn't want to marry gays, but does want to marry polygamists, so be it!!

There should be no government benefits for married people.

[_Scottie]

Mormons for Marriage: apostate?

Yes.

I love how Mormons are always trumpeting that they are NOT mindless robots, but as soon as you have a thought that is different than what the Brethren have told you to think, you are apostate.

[_asbestosman]

This slippery slope argument is ridiculous.

Well, I certainly am not making a slippery slope argument. I was simply stating the state of things as they currently are. I was not arguing that society will fall if we remove the morality bans we have.

SO WHAT if I want to marry my sibling. As long as we don't have children, who cares??

Why should the children angle matter? We allow people with known genetic problems to marry and have kids.

There should be no government benefits for married people.

Then there should be no government benefits for anyone, or did you mean that marriage simply shouldn't be a consideration for determinging what benefits a person receives? The one problem I have is that marriage is good for children. Is benefits the best way to help? Perhaps not. Still, I think it'd be nice to provide some help for the formation and solidification of family units.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

No liberal, left-winger, socialist, feminist, practicing (or sympathetic to the lifestyle) homosexual, or Democrat can answer this question truthfully with a "no".

Then I guess Jesus would fail the TR interview. Bummer.