So let's see who's on BC's "hit list" of apostates:
A strawman as, according to my description, it doesn't appear that some of those would be on the list. However, feel free to compare their stated positions with LDS doctrine and make your own determination.
Doesn't say every party does it?
How do you explain the 2006 letter which stated “Principles compatible with the gospel may be found in the platforms of all major political parties.”
I would ask how many principles contrary to the gospel? Your logic doesn't work here because it's like the LDS position that all churches have some truth, yet none but ours is authoritative enough to lead you to salvation.
Oh noes! Championing the cause of women? How low will society sink?
Third wave feminism does not champion the cause of women. Notice also the Church's stance on the ERA. At least you're brave enough to tackle an issue. Kudos.
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The Mormon church in Utah today is predominantly Republican. Nevertheless, there have been and are some prominent Mormons who have been or are Democrats. Following is a short, incomplete list of some of them:
Church President Heber J. Grant[51] started out as an ardent Democrat, but came to dislike FDR intensely; however, I do not believe he ever became a Republican.[52] Among Democratic First Presidency counselors have been Anthony R. Ivins, a passionate Democrat[53]; Charles W. Penrose, equally passionate; John Rex Winder; John Willard Young; Stephen L. Richards; Henry D. Moyle; Hugh B. Brown, another ardent Democrat; and his nephew, N. Eldon Tanner (who was instrumental in bringing the church back to financial stability).
Apostles who have been Democrats are poet and historian Orson F. Whitney; Franklin D. Richards; Moses Thatcher; Abraham H. Cannon; Stephen L. Richards; Melvin J. Ballard; and Joseph F. Merrill.
In addition, there was Seventy president, theologian, and historian, B.H. Roberts,[54] whose example greatly influenced Hugh B. Brown; other Democrat Presidents of the Seventy were Edward Stevenson; Jacob Gates; Rulon S. Wells; Charles H. Hart; and Antoine Ridgeway Ivins.
Historian Juanita Brooks was a committed Democrat, and I've been told Hugh Nibley is also a Democrat. As has been mentioned, labor activist Esther Peterson and Secretary of the Interior, Stewart Udall, were Democrats.
Among the present-day General Authorities, the following are Democrats: Seventy Marlin Jensen; (and here's a surprise) Apostle Boyd K. Packer[55]; First Presidency counselor James E. Faust.[56]
Among present day LDS politicians, Harry Reid, from Nevada, is a powerful presence in the Senate, a lieutenant of Tom Daschle, who played a part in convincing Jim Jeffords to leave the Republican party, thus swinging the Senate to Democratic control. As a fellow Mormon, I personally am very proud of his many accomplishments.
bcspace wrote:I would ask how many principles contrary to the gospel? Your logic doesn't work here because it's like the LDS position that all churches have some truth, yet none but ours is authoritative enough to lead you to salvation.
Some may believe the Republican party is just holy enough to lead us all to salvation. They'll probably be really confused when the Millennium begins and the party is demolished. (Except for those few who will still refuse to change. You know, the definition of "conservative.")
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
bcspace wrote: Once again, some of those don't seem to fall under my original description. Why don't you repeat it so that perhaps you'll see why.
No, BC, let's not play word games here. You are accusing some of your fellow Mormons of being apostates, because they don't fall into your line of what is "doctrine".
I would ask how many principles contrary to the gospel? Your logic doesn't work here because it's like the LDS position that all churches have some truth, yet none but ours is authoritative enough to lead you to salvation.
Some may believe the Republican party is just holy enough to lead us all to salvation.
I certainly don't believe that and I am not a Republican. However, there are no positions that party takes that are contrary to Church positions, quite unlike the Democratic party
They'll probably be really confused when the Millennium begins and the party is demolished. (Except for those few who will still refuse to change. You know, the definition of "conservative.")
Isaiah 32:5 gives hope in the last days to the liberal, but I'll bet it's not taking about the political liberal. lol
Once again, some of those don't seem to fall under my original description. Why don't you repeat it so that perhaps you'll see why.
No, BC, let's not play word games here. You are accusing some of your fellow Mormons of being apostates, because they don't fall into your line of what is "doctrine".
No Ray. I am simply basing it on a comparison with LDS doctrine and the positions of today's democratic party.
bcspace wrote:Isaiah 32:5 gives hope in the last days to the liberal, but I'll bet it's not taking about the political liberal. lol
lol! I guess I'll be burning in hell. lol!
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
bcspace wrote:No Ray. I am simply basing it on a comparison with LDS doctrine and the positions of today's democratic party.
You mean your understanding of LDS doctrine. I've already posted the disagreements between Joseph Fielding Smith and Henry Eyring. Disagreement is healthy, even essential. Nibley was a Democrat, I believe, because he saw the benefits of a "united order" type of society, which you call "socialism", or "left wing".
Your real problem is that you can't separate your political beliefs from your religious beliefs. Somehow, you think that today's Republican party would have been thoroughly endorsed by King Benjamin.