Am visiting my bud again and so visit the board. He put it on for me but no longer participates. Apparently the Chad Hardy baloney someone emailed him got him intersted enough to see what was posted. We were talking about it and about inspiration/authority/persecution and whatnot.
Brought up the question we have kicked around a few times. When was LDS Priesthood not on the earth? Could not have been after Christ died as John and the 3 Nephites all were here and had the authority of Apostles. All the Restoration story does not make sense as the Priesthood with four Apostles was still on the Earth the whole time.
How come they didn't have anything to do with Joseph Smith? How come they didn't restore anything to him? Did he ever meet with them for advice? Does Pres. Monson confer with them on how things are going? Fashions among the Nephites? Where the Lamanites are really hiding these days?
Maybe they will model for Chad Hardys calendar? Or are they like Vampires and can't see their reflection and cameras can't take their pictures?
Anyhow, being a bit more real, how come none of the Four on earth with authority of Apostles of Jesus had anything to do with the LDS Church and 'restoration of the Gospel'?
No Priesthood on Earth/Tommy & 3 Nephites & John?
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All the Restoration story does not make sense as the Priesthood with four Apostles was still on the Earth the whole time.
It does if they didn't ordain anyone. Case closed.
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Re: No Priesthood on Earth/Tommy & 3 Nephites & John?
bcspace wrote:All the Restoration story does not make sense as the Priesthood with four Apostles was still on the Earth the whole time.
It does if they didn't ordain anyone. Case closed.
It's entirely possible they didn't ordain Joseph because they knew a bad apple when they saw one. They didn't have to actually eat it to figure it out.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
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Re: No Priesthood on Earth/Tommy & 3 Nephites & John?
Harmony,
I know sour grapes when I see them
It's entirely possible they didn't ordain Joseph because they knew a bad apple when they saw one. They didn't have to actually eat it to figure it out.
I know sour grapes when I see them
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Gazelam wrote:Harmony,It's entirely possible they didn't ordain Joseph because they knew a bad apple when they saw one. They didn't have to actually eat it to figure it out.
I know sour grapes when I see them
You do? How can you tell the difference? Same shape, same color, same root stock... yet you, in your infinite homemade wisdom, can tell a sweet grape from a sour one. Surely the wine industry needs you.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
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Re: No Priesthood on Earth/Tommy & 3 Nephites & John?
Am up North visiting again and as luck would have it a fall blizzard has hit. So, we work on the barn inside instead of outside. Lucky for me the cows are all in. Don't like chasing them in 40 mph snow gusts.
If four of Jesus Apostles are alive on the earth the Priesthood is still here. All the authority to organize a first presidency or church was here all the time if this story is to be believed.
If all four of them are here with the authority conferred directly from Jesus, not just passed down from Joseph Smith, why doesn't the LDS leadership meet with them?
Why didn't they take part in the 'restoration'?
As for it 'makes sense if they didn't ordain anyone', that does not make sense at all. The priesthood was here the whole time whether they ordained people or not. Per LDS Scriptures and in contradiction to the teachings we hear every week the Priesthood has never been taken from the Earth. Never, if the Book of Mormon is to be believed.
If four of Jesus Apostles are alive on the earth the Priesthood is still here. All the authority to organize a first presidency or church was here all the time if this story is to be believed.
If all four of them are here with the authority conferred directly from Jesus, not just passed down from Joseph Smith, why doesn't the LDS leadership meet with them?
Why didn't they take part in the 'restoration'?
As for it 'makes sense if they didn't ordain anyone', that does not make sense at all. The priesthood was here the whole time whether they ordained people or not. Per LDS Scriptures and in contradiction to the teachings we hear every week the Priesthood has never been taken from the Earth. Never, if the Book of Mormon is to be believed.