Faith promoting lies

[_solomarineris]

Solo
You have no shred of evidence.

Nehor
Actually I do.

Then, Show me, Nehor!
Impress me with truth. I don't ask much just something little....Something.
The dumbest thing is you are feeding these GA's with your hard earned cash, they give you absolutely nothing material in return. If I were you, I'd invest that money to Hashish or some good mushrooms; at least then you'd get some pretty good visions.
My advice to you is;
Take your helmet off,
Trust your brain only, you are a smart guy.
PS:
I shouldn't be this harsh; It is hard to stand still & look such a waste. You've got one shot and definitely
investing it away, rather than in yourself.
Just wake up one morning and say to yourself;
I am the the most important being in this Universe, no one else is.

[_maklelan]

Are we on the same page?
My assertion is, there is no historical (archeological) evidence anywhere, which ties to Book of Mormon.
Have you seen one?

Of course there is. NHM, Bountiful, the Olmec king list, the Hebrew bullae and ostraca which attest to unique Book of Mormon names, Irreantum, Paanchi, and a dozen other pieces of evidence. You seem, however, to be conflating proof with evidence. You cannot possibly think you are justified in simply denying that these issues count as evidence.

[_solomarineris]

Holyfetch.com

Can we verify this somehow?
Looks too good to be true.
PS: Permission to use it as my signature sir?

[_Scottie]

Are we on the same page?
My assertion is, there is no historical (archeological) evidence anywhere, which ties to Book of Mormon.
Have you seen one?

NHM

Again, you may not like it or think it is very good evidence, but it is evidence.

Now, if you are talking about mesoamerican evidence, I'd have to agree. I have yet to see any evidence. And, in fact, that is quite a bit of evidence against the Book of Mormon.

[_The Nehor]

Then, Show me, Nehor!

Why?

Impress me with truth. I don't ask much just something little....Something.

Insulting something then asking for something is not usually an effective strategy.

The dumbest thing is you are feeding these GA's with your hard earned cash, they give you absolutely nothing material in return.

Feeding them? What? I know some of them and they aren't glutting themselves with my money. I gave the money to God and didn't expect anything material in return. God sometimes surprises me by giving me stuff anyways.

If I were you, I'd invest that money to Hashish or some good mushrooms; at least then you'd get some pretty good visions.

I prefer my IRA and HSA if I have extra money. I've always believed hallucinogenics are a cheap shortcut. You know you're good when you can have those kinds of experiences while still in your right mind.

My advice to you is;
Take your helmet off,
Trust your brain only, you are a smart guy.

My brain has led me here.

PS:
I shouldn't be this harsh; It is hard to stand still & look such a waste. You've got one shot and definitely
investing it away, rather than in yourself.

I'm happy. What more could I want?

Just wake up one morning and say to yourself;
I am the the most important being in this Universe, no one else is.

I don't believe that. The religion of self-worship leads to a large amount of pleasure. I tried it once. The religion grows stale quickly.

[_solomarineris]

Are we on the same page?
My assertion is, there is no historical (archeological) evidence anywhere, which ties to Book of Mormon.
Have you seen one?

Of course there is. NHM, Bountiful, the Olmec king list, the Hebrew bullae and ostraca which attest to unique Book of Mormon names, Irreantum, Paanchi, and a dozen other pieces of evidence. You seem, however, to be conflating proof with evidence. You cannot possibly think you are justified in simply denying that these issues count as evidence.

Mak
Nice try MAK
If you want to deceive yourself go ahead; none of these examples constitutes as evidence, in fact Erich von Daniken's or Ufologists, evidences are more credible than flimsy examples you present.
If I may ask; do you have a real job, or you sell some snake oil too for living? Are detached from reality this much to think Olmec heads might have something to do with Book of Mormon?
I guess you and I think differently when we think of "Evidence"
I'll show you some concrete evidence from where JosphSmith got Book of Mormon names
http://www.uwec.edu/geOGrApHY/Ivogeler/ ... -names.htm
ACTUAL PLACE NAMES Book of Mormon PLACE NAMES
*Agathe, Saint Ogath
Alma Alma
Antrim Antum
Antioch Anti-Anti
Boaz Boaz
Conner Comner
Hellam Helam
Jacobsburg Jacobugath
Kishkiminetas Kishkumen
Lehigh Lehi
Mantua Manti
Monroe Moroni
Minoa Minon
*Moraviantown Morianton
*Morin Moron
Oneida Onidah
Omer Omner
*Rama Ramah
*Ripple Lake Ripliancum, Waters of
Sodom Sidom
Shiloh Shilom
Tecumseh/Tenecum Teancum

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello,

I am curious. How do Mormon apologists explain the similarities of these names within the context of the Book of Mormon?

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

[_AlmaBound]

Mantua Manti

This one is my personal favorite, particularly when you compare the internal story with what Rigdon was doing in the vicinity of Mantua.

[_solomarineris]

solomarineris
Then, Show me,
Nehor!
Why?
Good question, you have nothing to show

Solo
The dumbest thing is you are feeding these GA's with your hard earned cash, they give you absolutely nothing material in return.
Feeding them? What? I know some of them and they aren't glutting themselves with my money. I gave the money to God and didn't expect anything material in return. God sometimes surprises me by giving me stuff anyways.
Solo
God gives you nothing, you receive stuff whether you pray to a gallon of milk, Baal Zebub or Eloheim.
If Merciful God's giving to righteous were criteria then I wouldn't drive the latest model SUV or live in a big house have more money than I'd need.
Solo
My advice to you is;
Take your helmet off, Trust your brain only, you are a smart guy.
Nehor
My brain has led me here.
This is the problem, Nehor; where you stand in life is leads you to humility, submission, powerlessness. You are not in charge of your life, smart guy like you should not depend on some invisible Entity to take care of his future.
Nehor
I'm happy. What more could I want?
You're right Nehor, you are happy, satisfied to sign your life away for an imaginary afterlife. This is the life; Here & Now , there is nothing wrong to enjoy it to the fullest.
Nehor
The religion of self-worship leads to a large amount of pleasure. I tried it once. The religion grows stale quickly.
It is not a self worship, it is definitely not a form of religion; it is a way of life of empowering yourself that no one is more capable of
knowing you but yourself.

[_Morrissey]

Are we on the same page?
My assertion is, there is no historical (archeological) evidence anywhere, which ties to Book of Mormon.
Have you seen one?

Of course there is. NHM, Bountiful, the Olmec king list, the Hebrew bullae and ostraca which attest to unique Book of Mormon names, Irreantum, Paanchi, and a dozen other pieces of evidence. You seem, however, to be conflating proof with evidence. You cannot possibly think you are justified in simply denying that these issues count as evidence.

And you seem to be conflating evidence with objectively valid evidence.

Yes, there is 'evidence' for the Book of Mormon; evidence along the lines of evidence for Big Foot, Loch Ness Monster, alien abductions, crop circles, and so forth.

I guarantee you that crop circle enthusiasts are every bit as convinced about their evidence as you are about yours. The problem is, the validity of this evidence is directly and positively correlated with the emotional investment one has in it being true.

From where I sit, the evidence you cite is no more compelling that than cited by alien abduction enthusiasts. Plus, I am 100% certain that alien abduction (or more generally alien) enthusiasts can produce eye witnesses every bit as compelling as the Book of Mormon witnesses. A lesson learned in terms of accepting eye witnesses as valid evidence of supernatural events.

(The argument that the witnesses to the Book of Mormon constitute compelling evidence, despite all the evidence to the contrary, can only plausibly be made in a vacuum, discounting the many thousands (and probably millions) of other eye witnesses to supernatural events that have been reported since the dawn of time. (I'm reasonably certain that Juan Diego never denied his testimony of having seen the Virgen de Guadalupe, for instance.)