Another Anti-Mormon Who Just Doesn't Get It

[_Mary]

I tend to think that a loving Father would try communicate essential truth to all of his children in whatever way worked rather than try to confuse them.

Absolutely agree 100%!

Nehor, thanks for your response. So what happens if, say someone gets called as a primary president, and the leadership are at pains to indicate that this calling has come through much prayer and revelation in terms of God's will. Yet the person who has been asked, genuinely, is being told through personal revelation, that, no, they should not except this calling at the present time.

Who is genuinely receiving God's will through the Holy Ghost?

As for whether I have ever asked on specific issues. Yes. Absolutely. Did I get answers..No. I did not.

Paradoxically, when my father died, I had some very deep spiritual experiences which I didn't even have to ask for. Wow.. that was an incredible lesson for me. All those years of asking, and nothing....and here as an inactive, apostate sinner, I was feeling peace, love, acceptance and all that, without even having to ask...



Regards
Mary

[_Scottie]

Lord of the Rings is internally consistent, but that doesn't make me think Lord of the Rings actually happened.

Sort of. Why the hell didn't the eagles just fly Frodo and Sam to Mt. Doom to drop the ring in, as they were plenty able to pick them up at Mt. Doom and take them home? (Or did this just happen in the movie and not in the book? It's been 30 years since I read the book.)

Saurons enchantments over Mt Doom were too powerful for the Eagles to fly in until AFTER the ring was destroyed.

Wow, I'm good at LotR apologetics.

[_wenglund]

So God's aim is to confuse those who don't get the 'answers' of Mormonism? I tend to think that a loving Father would try communicate essential truth to all of his children in whatever way worked rather than try to confuse them.

This would make sense were all his children capable and inclined to effectively bear the responsibility that comes with truth. Many aren't, as evinced by their rebellion against some of the essential truths once given them. In such cases, a loving God would rather confuse or hide the truth so as not burden his children who are not capable of shouldering the responisbility of truth. Such is the reasoning the Savior gave for speaking in parables (see Matt 13:9-17)

My understanding this sometimes gives me pause when attempting to unravel in certain people's minds their confusion about the restored gospel --particularly staunch former members. I wonder if, in my intent to beneficially re-enlighten them, I may actually be doing them harm by exposing their minds once again to responsibility-laden truths they have already rejected, and will likely continue to reject.

My concerns, though, are often quiled when I witness just how impervious some peope are to having their confusion unravelled. This enables me to reach out to those who may be briefly lost but yet capable of re-shouldering the responsibility of truth, while not needing to worry about undully burdening those who aren't.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Some Schmo]

In such cases, a loving God would rather confuse or hide the truth so as not burden his children who are not capable of shouldering the responisbility of truth.

Highlighted by this remark, that post was one of your most idiotic to date.

Thanks, -Some Schmo-

[_wenglund]

Highlighted by this remark, that post was one of your most idiotic to date. Thanks, -Some Schmo-

I fully expected that you, among others here, would see it in this confused way. And, in your cases, I think it best that you do--for reason explained, but clearly not understood by you--not that you are capable of doing otherwise.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_beastie]

This would make sense were all his children capable and inclined to effectively bear the responsibility that comes with truth. Many aren't, as evinced by their rebellion against some of the essential truths once given them. In such cases, a loving God would rather confuse or hide the truth so as not burden his children who are not capable of shouldering the responisbility of truth. Such is the reasoning the Savior gave for speaking in parables (see Matt 13:9-17)

My understanding this sometimes gives me pause when attempting to unravel in certain people's minds their confusion about the restored gospel --particularly staunch former members. I wonder if, in my intent to beneficially re-enlighten them, I may actually be doing them harm by exposing their minds once again to responsibility-laden truths they have already rejected, and will likely continue to reject.

My concerns, though, are often quiled when I witness just how impervious some peope are to having their confusion unravelled. This enables me to reach out to those who may be briefly lost but yet capable of re-shouldering the responsibility of truth, while not needing to worry about undully burdening those who aren't.

So God deliberately prevents prophets from discerning the difference between the prophet's opinion and the mind and will of God in order to patronizingly confuse folks who "can't handle the truth"?

[_Some Schmo]

Highlighted by this remark, that post was one of your most idiotic to date. Thanks, -Some Schmo-

I fully expected that you, among others here, would see it in this confused way. And, in your cases, I think it best that you do--for reason explained, but clearly not understood by you--not that you are capable of doing otherwise.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Oh, how clever! I wonder if I can pull off the same trick...

You're only saying that because you don't understand how idiotic you're being. I had a feeling you'd be oblivious to your own idiocy, because you're an idiot. I think it is best that you don't see your idiocy for what it is, however, because if you realized you were an idiot, it would make you less of an idiot--not that you are capable of being less of an idiot.

Yeah, that was tough.

Thanks, -Some Schmo-

[_Some Schmo]

So God deliberately prevents prophets from discerning the difference between the prophet's opinion and the mind and will of God in order to patronizingly confuse folks who "can't handle the truth"?

LOL

I guess god doesn't think much of his own prophets, seeing as he doesn't think they can handle the truth.

[_Mary]

So, what is the 'ultimate truth' that God wants to hide from us Wade.

That God exists and loves us, and wants us to love and serve each other, that God wants each of us to reach our full potential as human beings?

Was what Jesus taught, so complicated?

Surely his gospel is to be held in simplicity not in riddles within riddles and dreams within dreams....

What is so hard about ultimate truth...it only becomes hard when people turn it into incomprehensible fables for an elect few.

What happens to the idea that his yoke is light...

[_wenglund]

Oh, how clever! I wonder if I can pull off the same trick...

You're only saying that because you don't understand how idiotic you're being. I had a feeling you'd be oblivious to your own idiocy, because you're an idiot. I think it is best that you don't see your idiocy for what it is, however, because if you realized you were an idiot, it would make you less of an idiot--not that you are capable of being less of an idiot.

Yeah, that was tough.

Thanks, -Some Schmo-

Once again, I appreciate you unwittingly making my point.

But, your version of "I know you are, but what am I" is wearing more than a little thin. Perhaps you could try something a little more grown up (not that I hold out much hope)?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-