LDS football player changes mind on serving mission ....

[_The Nehor]

You just get in the way of those who actually want to be there.

I doubt twenty percent really want "to be there".. Brain wash a boy from birth with stupid songs like I hope they call me on a mission raise them in culture - family and friends, teachers that expects them to do this - that negative crap will happen when they don’t, glorify those that do, privately pity those that don’t and it should not be surprising that most have no choice mentally but to go. They were raised to do nothing else at 19. It’s a ticking time bomb - Palestinians raising future suicide bombers have nothing on LD$ Inc.

No, over 20 percent want to be there.

Sounds like this form of brainwashing is pervasive. I had the same kind of conditioning from my parents about going to college, money management skills, and getting out of the house in my early twenties. I was raised to do nothing else just like a suicide bomber.

[_TAK]

No, over 20 percent want to be there.

Sounds like this form of brainwashing is pervasive. I had the same kind of conditioning from my parents about going to college, money management skills, and getting out of the house in my early twenties.

I suppose it should come as no surprise that you see no difference between teaching life skills to your children and raising them to be a door to door salesman for a religion. A particularly odd one at that.

[_The Nehor]

I suppose it should come as no surprise that you see no difference between teaching life skills to your children and raising them to be a door to door salesman for a religion. A particularly odd one at that.

No, I was pointing out that if it's indoctrination it's an incredibly common and pervasive kind. In most cases it's called good parenting.

Also, said indoctrination doesn't work all that well. A lot of people just don't go. You'd also be surprised how many converts and members who chose not to go eventually decide to serve.

SHOCK! HORROR! There's no time for real indoctrination at all or worse, it FAILED but they went anyways.

[_TAK]

In most cases it's called good parenting.

Teaching a kid to become an adult is good parenting.. conditioning a kid to spend two years selling "the only true religion" to people who in most cases already have a faith is f'd ..

[_The Nehor]

In most cases it's called good parenting.

Teaching a kid to become an adult is good parenting.. conditioning a kid to spend two years selling "the only true religion" to people who in most cases already have a faith is f'd ..

Take the quotes out, change "selling" to sharing and change f'd to bliss and we are in complete agreement.

[_TAK]

Take the quotes out, change "selling" to sharing and change f'd to bliss and we are in complete agreement.

You are so full of it.. The Church does not want kids to go out and "share"..
Share implies dialogue and discussion.. mishys are not there to learn about other religions. They are trained to recite a polished sales presentation, offer canned responses to questions and to convert as many people as they can.

[_The Nehor]

Take the quotes out, change "selling" to sharing and change f'd to bliss and we are in complete agreement.

You are so full of it.. The Church does not want kids to go out and "share"..
Share implies dialogue and discussion.. mishys are not there to learn about other religions. They are trained to recite a polished sales presentation, offer canned responses to questions and to convert as many people as they can.

No, "share" does not imply that. It means give what you have to another. I was trained to do no such thing. There were no 'canned' answers. I came up with them on the spot.

[_Yoda]

It’s a ticking time bomb - Palestinians raising future suicide bombers have nothing on LD$ Inc.

Oh, come on, TAK. I usually enjoy your posts, but this is a really far-fetched leap.

My husband went on a mission. His folks raised him in your typical Mormon home. He was expected to go. He went to seminary....got good grades...went to BYU....etc.

My husband is a very shy person. He went on his mission to Central America, and became fluent in three languages: Spanish, Portuguese, and some French. He had many unique leadership opportunities while he was on his mission, and gained the experience of a foreign culture. Overall, the mission really helped him come out of his shell. He also had a sincere desire to go.

My in-laws raised five extremely well-rounded, productive kids. My husband's siblings are also my best friends.

I resent the comparison of TBM parenting to raising suicide bombers.

This is America. Everyone has the right to raise their children within the faith of their choosing. It's called freedom of religion. Look at the Catholic schools....the Jewish schools....etc. One of my best friends is from Thailand, and she has raised her son Buddhist. She invited me to attend a blessing ceremony for her restaurant opening with the Buddhist priests. I also went to a Buddhist Festival with her that they hold in Wilmington every year. It was amazing!

I don't agree with all of the LDS doctrine, but I think the parenting comparison you made is ludicrous.

[_TAK]

It’s a ticking time bomb - Palestinians raising future suicide bombers have nothing on LD$ Inc.

Oh, come on, TAK. I usually enjoy your posts, but this is a really far-fetched leap.

My husband went on a mission. His folks raised him in your typical Mormon home. He was expected to go. He went to seminary....got good grades...went to BYU....etc.

My husband is a very shy person. He went on his mission to Central America, and became fluent in three languages: Spanish, Portuguese, and some French. He had many unique leadership opportunities while he was on his mission, and gained the experience of a foreign culture. Overall, the mission really helped him come out of his shell. He also had a sincere desire to go.

My in-laws raised five extremely well-rounded, productive kids. My husband's siblings are also my best friends.

I resent the comparison of TBM parenting to raising suicide bombers...

I don't agree with all of the LDS doctrine, but I think the parenting comparison you made is ludicrous.

I am not equating the two.. simply pointing out that parents condition their kids to do certain things when they grow older. Things they might not do other wise and often leading to results that are egocentric for the parent. I am glad it worked out for your husband.. But I doubt he would have gone if he was not conditioned to do so.

[_karl61]

I think there are thousands and thousands of wonderful stories about missions. There are a lot of sad stories too that you never hear of.

There are young men and women who sacrifice a great deal, a lot of times their stories will be told to others, in some cases it inspires and in others it can create anger and resentment from someone who knows it's wrong to compare to people. One being made a "hero" by a small subculture. One who has done nothing wrong will feel not choosing missionary service is a wrong choice.

I had a friend that was promised a brand new BMW if he went;
another who came home after a month was offered full college expenses if he went back out.
parents would say go on my testimony until you get one for yourself.

in the late 1970's and early 80's everyone went. It was like the church was losing a war and threw everything out on the front line.

Today we here about raising the bar. Just by making that statement you are creating two classes of young men.

I think the Church is learning slowly the correct approach to missionary service.

The interesting thing is that I think that every person who serves a mission should know about the rock in the hat and Joseph Smith's polygamy. I think with the internet pretty soon all will get to know this prior to leaving which is a great thing.