Mormon, Porn, and Masturbation. (Easy now, Paul)

[_harmony]

Conventional missionary position is the only officially approved style, I'm afraid

Oh cum on Harmony, you know better than that. There is no approved method. Do as you please. DO NOT take the bishop to bed with you.

You will figure out how to do it. You're a big girl.



Paul O

I'm not what you'd call "conventional" in much of anything, remember, Paul? Just ask Nehor. He'd have me ex'ed in a heartbeat.

[_Paul Osborne]

I'm not what you'd call "conventional" in much of anything, remember, Paul? Just ask Nehor. He'd have me ex'ed in a heartbeat.

But the fact remains you are still among us. You are a saint no matter what Nehor thinks. One of my favorite musicals is West Side Story where you learn there is a place for everyone who has love one for another.

It is better to have love one for another than to be super religious and not have love for a fellow being.

I love you, Harmony.

Paul O

[_Brackite]

It seems that rules regarding masturbation for men, serves a number of functions for a church. If men don't masturbate, they are more likely to have sex, hence to get a woman pregnant, hence additional potential church members. That's why they care about men, but not whether women masturbate.

I basically agree with this statement, marg.

This statement was pretty much like, from what I just recently stated on this Thread. Here is this Statement of Mine again:

Is it any wonder why a lot of Mormon teenage boys engage in Pre-marital sex, when this kind of bogus information and garbage is taught to them within the walls of the Mormon Church? These Mormon teenage boys get taught how "evil of a sin" Masturbation is, so they reason that if they have already committed the "sin of Masturbation" then why not commit the sin of Pre-marital sex.

If You are an LDS Church Leader who teaches teenage boys that "Masturbation is a sin" and something they shouldn't do, I call on you to Stop teaching that bogus information right now, and Repent of it before the Lord God.

[_harmony]

It is better to have love one for another than to be super religious and not have love for a fellow being.

It's not just better; it's the 2nd commandment. The super religious break the commandment, and their pride is the biggest sin.

We are so inept as a people, the Brethren think they have to tell us not only to love one another, but they have to give us detailed instructions on how to love one another and who we can love, and where. Because we can't be trusted to figure those things out for ourselves.

Personally, I don't think the natural man is such a bad guy. I mean... God created him! I think the only reason he gets a bad rep is because our leaders have nothing else to occupy their minds. They worry 'way too much about the sex lives of the members, especially the youth and anyone younger than they are. We sure as heck didn't hear this sort of thing from Joseph or Brigham, over and over and over ad nauseum. They were preoccupied with enriching their own sexual experiences, and those of their friends. It took several generations to get to this point where our leaders are restricting our sex lives on a regular basis.

Again, I think ETB was right about the church being under condemnation; he just didn't have the right reason.

I love you, Harmony.

Paul O

Thanks, Paul. But I still won't be a plural wife.

[_Jason Bourne]

Your views are unorthodox (do you know what this word means?) and heretical. Someone who serves in an organization under me (I'm President) came to me with concerns about a member's apostasy yesterday. The views the member was expressing were not as extreme as yours. I informed the Bishop and he took it seriously. Virtually every active member in the Church would judge your views the same way.

Why did the person come to you? What business was it of theirs or yours? Was the bad member being vocal? Why did you need to run to the bishop and squeal on this alleged apostate? Why didn't you just talk to the person?

This is a really distasteful aspect of LDS Culture.

[_Jason Bourne]

A religion that does not require sacrifice, a religion that does not demand physical control over carnal desires, is incapable of producing faith enough to lead a person to salvation

Uh Gaz this is not what Joseph Smith said and you have distorted it to put your own spin on it.

[_Jason Bourne]

God wants us to enjoy our bodies and not look at them with shame.

This is a toast/grook written by Piet Hein which seems to apply here. (edit just checked his version is different..I prefer the changes I made)

God may be a pretense,
The mind makes very little sense,
So let us enjoy the appeal,
Of that which we can taste and feel.


You don't know if a God exists let alone what a God wants Paul, but you do know that men within the church create rules. It seems that rules regarding masturbation for men, serves a number of functions for a church. If men don't masturbate, they are more likely to have sex, hence to get a woman pregnant, hence additional potential church members. That's why they care about men, but not whether women masturbate. It also puts men into a vulnerable emotional position when the church is allowed to dictate private aspects and find out about private aspects of a person's life.

Actually the Church discourages masturbation for girls as well. It is just not talk about as much nor at least till recent years, did bishops ask girls about masturbation because they did not realize girls like it as much as boys do!

[_Yoda]

Your views are unorthodox (do you know what this word means?) and heretical. Someone who serves in an organization under me (I'm President) came to me with concerns about a member's apostasy yesterday. The views the member was expressing were not as extreme as yours. I informed the Bishop and he took it seriously. Virtually every active member in the Church would judge your views the same way.

Why did the person come to you? What business was it of theirs or yours? Was the bad member being vocal? Why did you need to run to the bishop and squeal on this alleged apostate? Why didn't you just talk to the person?

This is a really distasteful aspect of LDS Culture.

I agree. The whole tattletale attitude is for the birds.

Nehor, was this apostate person a member of your organization? Your quorum? What was this person doing? Was he speaking out publicly, or did he just make the mistake of confiding in the blabbermouth who told you?

[_Jason Bourne]

Paul,

Why are you going to pretend that you don't know what Natural Man means?

And as far as God in the bedroom it is simple. Any act that objectifies or degrades the partner is off limits. Its not really that difficult.

Natural or sensual men are enemies to God, because they are ruled by passions and appetites rather than by the spirit. Sensuality embraces free indulgence in sensual, fleshly pleasures - lewdness, licentiousness, lasciviousness.

The plan of salvation consists in overcoming the world, in overcoming carnality and sensuality, in putting off the natural or sensual man and becoming saints.

Gaz

Gaz

In sexual relations with one's spouse it seems all sorts of things could be considered unnatural based on what you and the FP said. Oral sex. What about fondling ones spouses genitals. Is that not masturbating one's spouse? Is that anymore natural than oral sex. Is intercourse the only natural act. I agree with Paul here. Stay out of my bedroom.

[_Jason Bourne]

Paul,



The plan of salvation consists in overcoming the world, in overcoming carnality and sensuality, in putting off the natural or sensual man and becoming saints.

Gaz

I thought the plan of salvation was the fall, sin, atonement of Christ for redemption and His being resurrected so we could be to. I thought it meant that we can be saved by Christ and redeemed from our sins. Where does it say the plan of salvation consist of what you say? I think like most LDS you confuse sanctification and justification.