For Gaz: Celestial Kingdom, location or state of being?

[_Yoda]

Hey, Gaz....when you have a moment, can you take a look at the following post on my Emotional Intimacy thread:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9976&p=260215#p260215

The question is an offshoot of some of the discussion here, but fits more into the realm of the polygamy issues.

Thanks! You're a popular guy! LOL

[_Yoda]

Gaz---

Do you feel that those who become Gods and Goddesses will face a situation like Heavenly Father did, with a war in heaven, and the need for a savior? And, if they do have this type of situation, do you believe that Jesus Christ already served as Savior for all, or that as individual Gods and Goddeses, we will have to go through the process Heavenly Father went through, and appoint one of our spirit children as a savior?

My feeling has always been that Jesus IS the one and only Savior for ALL humankind.

Also....do you feel that we will be creating our own trinity of kingdoms (Telestial, Terrestrial, and Celestial) and/or have the freedom to come up with some other type of plan in our own spheres? Or, are we creating future worlds which will still continue to glorify the Father, and our spirit children's eternal judgment will still be in the hands of Heavenly Father and Jesus?

[_Gazelam]

Liz,

It is my understanding that all that we possess in regards to knowledge concerning divine things is in reference to this sphere of existence.

I beleive that the same thing that happens in this life, where we cleave unto our loved ones and move away from our parents to create a home and existence of our own is in similitude of what happens in the eternities.

We will have rebellious children of our own to deal with, and yes I believe that we will have our own savior who will need to be appointed. I believe Christ did all that he did for those who were appointed to this world. I do not believe his sacrifice affected other worlds.

We will have to create dwelling places for our own children, just as our Father has for us. We will not create our own plan of Salvation though. A universal truth is a universal truth. God is God because he is perfect in keeping existing Laws. He does not come up with laws of his own in regards to certain things. The plan of salvation is perfect and we will not change it to suit our desires.

The worlds we create will both glorify us and our Father in Heaven. the same way things are here, our Grandparents are honored by our being righteous, just as our parents are.

[_Paul Osborne]

Gaz---

Do you feel that those who become Gods and Goddesses will face a situation like Heavenly Father did, with a war in heaven, and the need for a savior? And, if they do have this type of situation, do you believe that Jesus Christ already served as Savior for all, or that as individual Gods and Goddeses, we will have to go through the process Heavenly Father went through, and appoint one of our spirit children as a savior?

My feeling has always been that Jesus IS the one and only Savior for ALL humankind.

Also....do you feel that we will be creating our own trinity of kingdoms (Telestial, Terrestrial, and Celestial) and/or have the freedom to come up with some other type of plan in our own spheres? Or, are we creating future worlds which will still continue to glorify the Father, and our spirit children's eternal judgment will still be in the hands of Heavenly Father and Jesus?

Wow, Liz, you have so many questions. LOL

Seriously, I believe that our Father in Heaven had many spirit children before Jesus was conceived. Those children grew and went on to their salvation and exaltation -- there being countless Saviors and many groups of children, worlds without number. Whatever plan of salvation for them was for them. In our group, Jesus is the Savior, the Firstborn and the only way we can return to the Father. Whether there is a war in heaven or many wars in heaven is all determined on how the children react to their existence. All things are perfectly handled by the gods.

When you become a Goddess you can do whatever you and your divine Husband please. No one will tell you what to do. You both have an entire universe to work in.

Paul O

[_Gazelam]

I misstated something in th eabove post. I said:

The plan of salvation is perfect and we will not change it to suit our desires.

If we are worthy of the Celestial Kingdom we would not want to change the plan of salvation anyway.

[_Jersey Girl]

Hi Gaz!

Thanks for showing up! I'm going to hang back and just read the conversation here for a while. I'll ask questions later.

Jersey Girl

[_Paul Osborne]

I believe Christ did all that he did for those who were appointed to this world. I do not believe his sacrifice affected other worlds.

I beg to differ. Jesus atoned for the sins of those who have lived on millions of worlds. He created millions of worlds under the direction of his Father and led a group of spirits to form the plan of salvation in a grand council. All of this happened long ago.

Paul O

[_Paul Osborne]

I misstated something in th eabove post. I said:

The plan of salvation is perfect and we will not change it to suit our desires.

If we are worthy of the Celestial Kingdom we would not want to change the plan of salvation anyway.

The plan of salvation is all about love. It doens't have to be done exactly the same way in every world. The plan of salvation is nothing more than a presentation of God's love to his children. This may be done in a variety of ways. Gods may do according to their own will. The Gods are not told what to do by other Gods. Gods have their own will and desire and are free to choose according to their own desire.

Paul O

[_bcspace]

That you leave the Celestial Kingdom?

How do you stay in the presence of Heavenly Father and populate new worlds without leaving?

That the Celestial Kingdom is comprised of "new worlds"?

That the Celestial Kingdom is more a state of being and not a location?

That when one enters the Celestial Kingdom, they are not fully exalted and have other work to do before becoming a god and then you go out to make new worlds and have your own Celestial Kingdom?

I think C.S. Lewis "The Great Divorce" provides an interesting take on some of these questions, what it's like to move closer/farther away from God in the afterlife, even though it's written by a nonLDS.

[_Yoda]

That you leave the Celestial Kingdom?

How do you stay in the presence of Heavenly Father and populate new worlds without leaving?

That the Celestial Kingdom is comprised of "new worlds"?

That the Celestial Kingdom is more a state of being and not a location?

That when one enters the Celestial Kingdom, they are not fully exalted and have other work to do before becoming a god and then you go out to make new worlds and have your own Celestial Kingdom?

I think C.S. Lewis "The Great Divorce" provides an interesting take on some of these questions, what it's like to move closer/farther away from God in the afterlife, even though it's written by a nonLDS.

Would you mind elaborating a little, BC? I don't have access to the book.

Just a summary of some of his points?

Thanks!