Do Christians tacitly support Gay bashing?

[_Yoda]

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[_Jersey Girl]

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[_The Nehor]

This priest has an incredibly insightful perspective on homosexuality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPUE9xpx ... re=related

[_Paul Osborne]

Jersey Girl,

Those New Testament scriptures you quoted is wonderful doctrine that teaches us that love is all that really matters. Jesus was sooooo wise!

Christ willl never fault us for loving one another but it's OK to express our practical religious views and differences. I just wish Gaz would realize this.

Thanks,

Paul O

[_Gazelam]

Jersey,

And one more time...where in the above do you see that you are given permission to hate homosexuals (not the practice, but homosexuals as persons) or any other human being?

When God sends forth his gospel message through his authorized servants, he seeks to establish a culture, he seeks to establish an enviorment that allows the Holy Ghost to bless and inspire the lives of those who adhere to his laws and ordinances. We are blessed when we do as the Lord instructs, when we are disobedient we have no promise.

Knowledge of God and his laws is the greatest incentive to personal righteousness known to man. To know that God is a glorified and perfected Person, an exalted Man, (Man of Holiness being one of his names) a holy Being in whose image man is made; to know that man by obedience to gospel laws can attain a like exaltation; to know that this glorious reward is reserved for those who overcome the world and put first in their lives the things of God's kingdom; to know that this means that man must earn and develop for himself the attributes of godliness - all such knowledge impels man to live a godly life.

After announcing that when Christ returns the faithful saints "shall be like him," meaning be glorified and exalted as he is, John adds: "And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he (Christ) is pure." (1 John 3:1-3) It is no wonder, then, that man is saved no faster than he gains knowledge of God and the laws of salvation.

With this in mind it stands to reason that the absence of the knowledge of God and his laws opens the door to a flood of evils. As you mentioned Paul is speaking about practices related to the worship of false Gods, those who worship false Gods are denied the incentives to righteousness that come from conformity to true principles. Ethics grow out of religion, and when man departs from God and his laws, they fall into the practice of all the evils Paul condems here.

Because men change the truth of God into a lie, because they reject God and his laws, they were left to wallow in evil, lust, and perversion.

In verses 26 to 28, homosexual acts of perversion and degeneracy are described. Then verses 29 to 31 say that those so debased are also filled with many heinous sins. And finally verse 32 records "that they which commit such things are worthy of death", apparently meaning that the law of the gospel prescribes the death penalty for homosexual perversions. God himself executed such a penalty on a whole people in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Gen. 18 and 19) Joseph Smith, in his translation, modifies this verse and limits the application of the death penalty for such offences to certain persons, which means those who in so sinning are rebelling against high gospel standards which they themselves have covenanted to keep.

[_Gazelam]

Doc. Cam,

Also, as Ms. Beastie has stated, I have yet to witness the same level of hate and loathing homosexuality induces being cast toward heterosexual sinfulness. Would Mr. Gaz express a desire to drown a heterosexually active daughter? Would Mr. Gaz make indigent a heterosexually active teenage child? These are interesting questions I would like Mr. Gaz to answer for the benefit of dialogue and understanding.

If my children decided to rebel against their upbringing to the point that they become sexually active outside of marriage they would not be welcome in my home until such a time as they were, at the very least, married for time.

If they wish to live their life like a dog on all fours sniffing ass, then they will be treated like an unwanted dog.

[_Gazelam]

Beastie,

You are using a theological justification for your hatred of practicing homosexuals (and I believe you hate the people, not just the practice), yet the fact that you focus on homosexuality as the target of special loathing reveals there is more to the story.

For example - refusing to have children would also be an antithesis to "Father's plan". Having heterosexual sex outside of marriage would be another antithesis to the plan. Women or men who reject the idea of patriarchy would be another antithesis to the plan.

First let me say that you always have well thought out and well stated contributions, thank you for that.

I of course base my response and feelings towrds homosexuality on theological grounds. Ethics stem from religious views, whether people think they do or not is irrelevant. I do not target homosexuality, if the subject comes up then I state my feelings on the subject. I think the main problem on this board is that many here are more wishy washy in their morals and virtue than they should be, so they find hard talk against the subject to be overly harsh. It is the disease of the day to be morally lenient, and we all suffer becasue of it.

A refusal to bear children when one is able to is against the Plan of Salvation, correct. Having sex outside of marriage is against the Plan of Salvation also. Being against the Law of Patriarchy is to be against the Everlasting Covenant of Exaltation, the Abrahamic Covenant. While all of these are infracations against gospel law, they do not carry the weight of the perversion that is homosexuality.

[_Paul Osborne]

While all of these are infracations against gospel law, they do not carry the weight of the perversion that is homosexuality

I doubt you'd be saying this if you had been born a homosexual. But let me just say that homosexuals who forgive you of what you say will enter the kingdom of God before you do. Do you remember Jesus saying something like that, and it pissed off the Jews?

I know that this sounds bad with what you currently understand, but just wait untill the veil is removed and you see the bigger picture. Me personally, I don't care if you learn it in this life. I only care about my own sorry ass. I've learn, Gaz, I've learened there is more to it than we realized and had been taught. I'm moving on in my progession with or without you.

Paul O

[_Brackite]

While all of these are infracations against gospel law, they do not carry the weight of the perversion that is homosexuality

I doubt you'd be saying this if you had been born a homosexual. But let me just say that homosexuals who forgive you of what you say will enter the kingdom of God before you do. Do you remember Jesus saying something like that, and it pissed off the Jews?

I know that this sounds bad with what you currently understand, but just wait untill the veil is removed and you see the bigger picture. Me personally, I don't care if you learn it in this life. I only care about my own sorry ass. I've learn, Gaz, I've learened there is more to it than we realized and had been taught. I'm moving on in my progession with or without you.

Paul O

Hi Paul,

The important thing to remember about our friend Gaz on this subject here is that he does not believe that a Person is born a homosexual. Gaz believes that People choose whether or not they want to be homosexuals.

My mother was excommunicated from the church when I was 14 years old. She is still alive today and I love her very much. I plan to visit her in about a month.

My mother is a lesbian.

Did you hear that, Gaz? I'll repeat it again, my mother is a lesbian.

Paul O

You are a very good man, Paul O.

[_Ray A]

I of course base my response and feelings towrds homosexuality on theological grounds. Ethics stem from religious views, whether people think they do or not is irrelevant.

I rest my case.