Scott Lloyd whines about new dangers of unregulated truth.

[_ttribe]

You don't think it's just a tad over the line to comment on your hopes that Scott's son rejects the teachings of his parents? What a class act you are.

Why the hell is this over the line? What is wrong with children rejecting the teachings of their parents?

Mormons rejoice when children of Baptists, Catholics, Muslims, Jews, etc. reject the teachings of their parents to join Mormonism. In fact, Mormons regularly pray that they do so. My nephew is on a mission, and his parents pray daily that he convinces people to reject the teachings of their parents.

Every child should be free to reject the teachings of his/her parents and choose his/her own path in life.

And for every child raised to believe in the superstitious beliefs and foolish traditions of their parents, I for one hope that they find the personal courage to reject these superstitious beliefs and foolish traditions.

If children were somehow morally or otherwise obligated to follow lock step in line with their parents' beliefs, what hope for any kind of social or other progress could we ever expect?

Dumb Mormon-centric objection.

How about you read the rest of the thread before you start down this path?

[_ttribe]

I have read the whole ten pages.....tt, plumber is entitled to his opinion same as you are. You both are saying basically the same thing but you are missing it. Plumber is more blunt and I don't agree with him on the burn in a fire comments but you and your church say the same as Plumber is saying. I prefer the blunt over the whining and obscuring and exaggerating.

The church has a missionary program that is saying the same as the Plumber but not as blunt. The motive of the church is to baptize and make a member out of every human on earth. To state otherwise is totally disingenuous. The church baptizes the dead for that same goal. They home teach for that goal. Everything they do is for that goal. They even go too far in my book. I have seen parenting and member behavior that takes that goal to the extreme by shunning adult people and children for not conforming. Children have been sent to gulags for not conforming. I seen unwed mothers disowned. I have seen members disfellowshipped and ex'd for not conforming. So tt I think you have your head in the sand.

tt you have exaggerated everything written on this thread. You compare a (passive) comment written on a message board to an (active) comment...

Again, do you go around the grocery store stopping people to tell them how you think they should parent?

and call them the same. You use "mind rape" and etc. All your comments are exaggerated. You need to go back and reread the OP and then think before you comment.

Plumber has an opinion, he is not actively parenting your kid or anyone's kid with an opinion. I have the same opinion, I hope that everyone not just kids seek the truth where ever they can find it and if they do and they are honest with themselves they will leave the church and seek another path. I hope it comes early and young not late in life like it did for me. tt, this hope of mine is no different than the church's hope and goal and I am not parenting you or your kid or anyone to hold that hope.

One big difference, the church is very active in achieving their goal and I am very passive.

GP started with the "mind rape" terminology thing, not me...I just decided to shine the light on it.

[_ttribe]

My sincerest apologies for interrupting your echo chamber by expressing dissent over GP's thoughtless and insulting post. I'll try to remember that reminders about civility are unwelcome here the next time I get the strange idea that debate is welcome.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Mr Ttribe,

You make a rather bizarre assertion about debate on this board. I believe, after 10 pages of debate, you would think otherwise unless consent is how you define debate?

Very Respectfully,
Doctor CamNC4Me

[_DarkHelmet]

Debate is welcome here. That's why I prefer this board over RfM and MA&D. I really wish more TBMs posted here, but I understand it gets old being in the minority all the time. But as a TBM you should understand that once you get outside the chapel, or a monitored LDS-only message board, and into the real world, your beliefs will always be in the minority.

[_Yoda]

My sincerest apologies for interrupting your echo chamber by expressing dissent over GP's thoughtless and insulting post. I'll try to remember that reminders about civility are unwelcome here the next time I get the strange idea that debate is welcome.

This is GP's comment:

Allow me to take a moment to commend your son in seeking out to learn about the world as it is. I have little doubt that this boy is incredibly intelligent and has a thirst for knowledge. It is gratifying that it is likely that some day he will find further truths about the stupid group of non-thinkers attempting to poison his little mind. I am happy that the internet is available to help the young and old have access to unfiltered, unbleached information. Scotty Dog is right to be scared, terrified, dismayed, cowed, angry, judgmental, and nervous about the internet (and not just while he is sneaking porn). Scotty Dog, keep (making love) that chicken.

I would have to agree that his last statement, in particular, is on the tacky, rather tasteless side.

I also understand your concerns about drawing references to other people's minor children into a board debate.

That being said, I don't really see where GP insulted Scott's son in any way. It's obvious by his comments that he has no love for Scott, personally. His comment regarding Scott's son, however, is actually complimentary. He states that his son is intelligent and has a thirst for knowledge.

I think that the focus of GP's comment was more on the fact that the Internet is a more readily available tool for both young and old to learn "the good, the bad, and the ugly" about the Church.

GP, obviously, has strong feelings and resentment regarding the Church, which transitions into insults. The insults, however, are directed at the Church, and at Scott. They are not directed at the 12 year old boy.

I think that is worth mentioning here.

[_beastie]

My sincerest apologies for interrupting your echo chamber by expressing dissent over GP's thoughtless and insulting post. I'll try to remember that reminders about civility are unwelcome here the next time I get the strange idea that debate is welcome.

Perhaps some part of you can appreciate the skepticism that your position arouses when said position requires you to label statements such as “I hope that the children of bigots grow up to reject the bigotry they were taught as children” as inappropriate, and an example of "interfering" in the child-parent "territory", and an example of drawing minors into an insulting debate.

As far as debate being unwelcome, I concur with those who state this assertion is strange, given the fact that ten pages of debate has just taken place. You are being asked to defend your position, which is, in fact, the very nature of debate. No moderator has stepped in to scold or censor you or in any way muzzle you. Yes, at times the debate contains insults, some of which I wouldn't approve of personally, but at least on this board moderators aren't biased towards the insults of one side more than the other. I understand that it's difficult to to be a minority voice and frustrating to have to respond to many different posters. However, at least there's no biased moderating to deal with on top of that.

[_Yoda]

However, at least there's no biased moderating to deal with on top of that.

Thanks, Beastie! We try! :-)

[_beastie]

Thanks, Beastie! We try! :-)

Thank YOU for doing the job, which is pretty thankless!!!

[_ttribe]

My sincerest apologies for interrupting your echo chamber by expressing dissent over GP's thoughtless and insulting post. I'll try to remember that reminders about civility are unwelcome here the next time I get the strange idea that debate is welcome.

Perhaps some part of you can appreciate the skepticism that your position arouses when said position requires you to label statements such as “I hope that the children of bigots grow up to reject the bigotry they were taught as children” as inappropriate, and an example of "interfering" in the child-parent "territory", and an example of drawing minors into an insulting debate.

As far as debate being unwelcome, I concur with those who state this assertion is strange, given the fact that ten pages of debate has just taken place. You are being asked to defend your position, which is, in fact, the very nature of debate. No moderator has stepped in to scold or censor you or in any way muzzle you. Yes, at times the debate contains insults, some of which I wouldn't approve of personally, but at least on this board moderators aren't biased towards the insults of one side more than the other. I understand that it's difficult to to be a minority voice and frustrating to have to respond to many different posters. However, at least there's no biased moderating to deal with on top of that.

What I found most interesting was the fact that it was my position being debated so hotly. It seems GP gets a pass for being...well, GP? Whereas, I have to spend 10 pages defending myself for commenting that I thought his comment was classless. I suspect, but don't know, that if I'd never said a thing about how crass his post was, there would have been six or seven verbal slaps on the back and some laughs and that's about it.