Two Cumorahs

[_beastie]

It reminds me of that old commercial that showed an egg frying in a pan, and the somber voice-over said "this is your brain on drugs."

Folks, this is your brain on Mormonism.

[_Uncle Dale]

It reminds me of that old commercial that showed an egg frying in a pan, and the somber voice-over said "this is your brain on drugs."

Folks, this is your brain on Mormonism.

Folks -- this is a TREMENDOUS break-through!
Everybody wants to know where the land of the Nephites was located -- right?

Tabulate all the geologic peculiarities of the NY Cumorah, and then go looking
for its geomorphological "match" in Guatemala (or wherever).

Find the rocks and stratigraphic composition of the NY Cumorah in "Nephite-land"
and you'll be within walking distance of the ruins of Zarahemla!

Somebody needs to go wake up Monson and tell him the good news!

Anybody got a copy of Quaternary Glacial Geology of Ontario County Drumlins handy?

UD

[_beastie]

Now all we need is a wormhole....

[_bcspace]

Too bad Liz. I'm going to have to ask you again to provide CFR for your claim that the plates were buried at the site of the battle. NOT A SINGLE ONE of your references comes even close to implying that. You even quote a verse that is decades after the battle with no indication of where the plates are buried.

Try again.

[_Markk]

mfbukowski

There is no "one Cumorah theory" in the sense of a scholarly theory put forth to be proven or disproven on its logical merits. I am not arguing about the semantics of the difference between "teaching" and "theory". There is the traditional view, and there is the two Cumorah view. And yes, they can be harmonized, and if you read my post, you would see how. Both can be combined into a new view which combines both without logical contradiction. (I am not advocating this view because I am not an expert on any of this) but as I said, if we have angels moving plates, why not have them move the entire hill? Moroni deposits the plates in the hill in central America, the hill containing the plates is moved to Western NY and Joseph removes them from that hill, and the Watson letter becomes correct. The hill where the plates were deposited is the same hill from which Joseph removes them. I am not advocating this view, but it does harmonize the two accounts logically, showing they are not contradictory, and it is as plausible as angels moving the plates in the first place. Logical contradiction is demonstrated by the difference between a proposition "A" and a proposition "not A". If the traditional view is "A" the two Cumorah view is NOT "not A". The two views are therefore not contradictory in any logical sense. I am sure you will make some smart comments about this theory, but go ahead. All I am showing is that the two views are not incompatible logically- there is a possible imaginable scenario which makes them both true, which could not be the case if they were logically contradictory.

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/topic/ ... e__st__820

Hi,

Against all odds, no matter what scripture, a dead prophet, or a living prophet teaches, the final court of arbitration is, and will always be " the survival of the church".

But I think Sorenson needs to now calculate the circumference of the base of the HC in New York, and them look for a flat spot in Central America, then all will be settled.

Mark

[_Uncle Dale]

Now all we need is a wormhole....

"And the brother of Jared said to mountain Zerin,
'Remove!' and it was removed..."

Durndest thing, though --
Seems like every single Quaternary glacial drumlin in Guatemala
got moved up to Ontario, New York -- along with Zerin and Cumorah.

Nary a one left down there in Meso-America fer us to locate --
Tell Monson he can go back to bed, after all...

UD

[_bcspace]

BC, your argument that Sorenson's theory usurps past inspired teachings validates the critics arguments that LDS scholarship is gaining ground in defining LDS theology and thought. In fact I believe that LDS leadership realizes this and by their past silence have dug themselves into a big hole.

I don't think this is the case at all. The whole example of Christianity, particularly the LDS Church, is that of continuing revelation. Whether that comes in a vision, a dream, or from a calculator, or archeological pick axe is of no consequence.

The Sorenson article doesn't break any new ground or establish any doctrine other than the possibility and likelyhood of a local LGT. Besides "strong opinion", I personally don't think any "one Cumorah" GAs is as concerned with the actuality of it as they are with baseless attacks on the truth claims of the Book of Mormon. You are still rooted in this erroneous notion that God will make all the details, answers, and explainations available to the Church at any time.

Victory is still mine. If Liz can't do it, who will?

[_Yoda]

Too bad Liz. I'm going to have to ask you again to provide CFR for your claim that the plates were buried at the site of the battle. NOT A SINGLE ONE of your references comes even close to implying that. You even quote a verse that is decades after the battle with no indication of where the plates are buried.

Try again.

Try reading my post again, and comprehend what you read. The cross reference from Mormon 6:6 ties in the referral to the plates in Moroni 10.

[_beastie]

You know what's messed up? We're having a giggle over this, but the reality is the MF is right: if you're LDS and you buy into that basic line of angels and disappearing gold plates, why the heck NOT believe God just moved the mountain???

[_bcspace]

Try reading my post again, and comprehend what you read.

I think your overwhelming shame for making a false claim ha addled your brain.

The cross reference from Mormon 6:6 ties in the referral to the plates in Moroni 10.

In Mormon 6:6 this is Cumorah 1, PRIOR to the battle. Now look at Moroni 10:2. Tell us Liz, how many since Christ is Mormon 6 and how many years since Christ is Moroni 10? That likely is the key for your understanding.