A quotable tagline from little Willie

[_Ray A]

A most revealing thread worth noting, and in particular This Post:

Here's a little secret:


The wise and prudent use of knowledge is one of the hallmarks of godliness. Those who fail to master the nuances of this principle will never be entrusted with all that God hath.

This is no "little secret"; it is the very art of "nuanced" Mormon apologetics. As if "God" revealed this. Seems like just about every critic already realises this, and Will thinks he's on to one of the secrets of the "kingdom". How laughable.

[_Ray A]

On the same thread:

Peter lied 3 times to save his own skin.

No mention of the fact that Peter later went out and "wept bitterly".

That's perspective for you.

[_Runtu]

The best lesson learned, is that Will speaks for an individual who has lost his moral bearings, and by coincidence self-identifies as Mormon. Nothing of what he states can be reflected as LDS thinking, or as an ethical or moral framework to base one's life upon.

Think of it as nothing more than a "will-ism". Kind of like the distorted morality of the suicide bombers who flew airplanes into certain world trade center buildings.

That's what keeps coming back to me about apologetics. A lot of people just "shelve" things that they know deep down to be wrong, but other people go all in with this "nuanced" morality. For Will, it's fine to lie. For Blake Ostler, sleeping around and lying to your wife about it speaks to a more expansive and godly morality.

In the end, to fully embrace Mormonism, one must suspend one's conscience and sense of morality. After all, whatever God commands is right, whatever it is.

[_beastie]

and then they get huffy when critics bring up "lying for the Lord."

[_Runtu]

and then they get huffy when critics bring up "lying for the Lord."

You know, the one thing I appreciate about Will is that he embraces the implications of Mormonism, scary as that may be. He's OK with lying for the Lord, sleeping around for the Lord, killing for the Lord. He knows where the logical end of his faith is, while the rest sit around and quibble about how we just don't get it.

[_beastie]

You know, the one thing I appreciate about Will is that he embraces the implications of Mormonism, scary as that may be. He's OK with lying for the Lord, sleeping around for the Lord, killing for the Lord. He knows where the logical end of his faith is, while the rest sit around and quibble about how we just don't get it.

Yes, I appreciate that quality, as well. Another example – he’s happily admitted to believing that someone really can see buried treasures with special stones.

[_moksha]

and then they get huffy when critics bring up "lying for the Lord."

You know, the one thing I appreciate about Will is that he embraces the implications of Mormonism, scary as that may be. He's OK with lying for the Lord, sleeping around for the Lord, killing for the Lord. He knows where the logical end of his faith is, while the rest sit around and quibble about how we just don't get it.

So does this make Will the ideal Mormon from the critics point of view? Seems to me that being internally consistent with our past foibles is an even greater foible by itself.

[_Inconceivable]

William Schryver
"Incidentally, withholding truth is not the same as lying. The notion that people have a right to truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth is mistaken, and certainly inconsistent with the wisdom and economy of God."
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/topic/ ... ge__st__20

And inconsistent with the MO of Mormon apologists like himself.

It's all here. Thankyou brother Packham:

Mormon LYING:

http://home.teleport.com/~packham/lying.htm

[_beastie]

So does this make Will the ideal Mormon from the critics point of view? Seems to me that being internally consistent with our past foibles is an even greater foible by itself.

I guess that all depends upon what you mean by “ideal.” I do think Will understands the implications of the history of the church whereas many defenders of the faith spend a heck of a lot of time dodging those same implications because they’re embarrassed by them.

Will is more comfortable with the God that Mormonism points towards, and that may have to do with the personality traits we see him display on this board.

[_Doctor Scratch]

I don't think that this is anything out of the ordinary. I also don't think this line of argument is limited to Will Schryver---which is to say, I don't think this kind of commentary is strictly a "Schryver-ism." Indeed, I can remember a very similar argument being made by (of all people!) Ben McGuire. If I recall correctly, Ben and I were debating the nuances of BKP's infamous "Mantle" talk and Ben made some point about how missionary (and other Church) omission of embarrassing/problematic doctrine and history was not actually "lying."