Orthopraxy in Apologetics?

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Re: Orthopraxy in Apologetics?

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Doctor Scratch wrote:The only "refuting" that will count in this instance is for him to post the actual materials.

Clearly, we disagree.

Doctor Scratch wrote:And I'm still waiting for you to back up your accusations against me.

Come now. You are far too prolific to simply have such answers provided to you instantaneously. Besides, my comment was on the body of work. Your malignant treatment of DCP is but a subset.

Anyway, I asked you first - you give me the Blair example(s) and I'll keep assembling my Dr. Scratch's Greatest Hits Album.
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Re: Orthopraxy in Apologetics?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Hello Tim,

I am generally opposed to a call for reference, but in this case I must insist you provide one. In addition, would you please provide a reference where Mr. Blair expressly refuted Doctor Scratch's assertions?

Thank you in advanced.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

Start here - viewtopic.php?p=305965#p305965
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Re: Orthopraxy in Apologetics?

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Still going....

Speculation - viewtopic.php?p=276609#p276609

Accusations of cover-ups and smear tactics (unsupported, of course) - viewtopic.php?p=276460#p276460

Your sickening attack on Scott Lloyd over how he raises his son - viewtopic.php?p=275873#p275873

Misrepresentation of Peterson's thread intentions - viewtopic.php?p=275152#p275152

More accusations of smears, character assassination, etc. - viewtopic.php?p=272953#p272953

Mockery, misrepresentations, etc. - viewtopic.php?p=279299#p279299

Stand by for more....
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Re: Orthopraxy in Apologetics?

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The hits keep coming....

Another gem of maliciousness - viewtopic.php?p=281965#p281965

Disparaging mockery - viewtopic.php?p=285935#p285935

The source of the "racism" matter - viewtopic.php?p=284424#p284424

Insinuations about the quality of my character through outright misrepresentation of my words - viewtopic.php?p=284689#p284689

Don't anyone hold their breath...there's more.
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Re: Orthopraxy in Apologetics?

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And also...

Passing on accusations of lying - http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... 94#p293694

Deliberate misrepresentation of DCP's "admissions" - http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... 75#p294175

Unfounded accusations of intentional efforts to gossip - http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... 49#p293649

Accusations of lying - http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... 13#p297513

Counter-accusations of stalking - http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... 72#p297472

The beginnings of the effort to malign Mr. Hodges' work - http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... 05#p294505

Regarding the title "Stalker" - a search of this site shows 236 posts made by Doctor Scratch in which "DCP" is in the text. 24 where "Daniel C. Peterson" is in the text. 120 where "Dr. Peterson" is in the text. These are just since Scratch took on the title of "Doctor". It doesn't count the "Mister" days.

Unfortunately, it seems, the search function will not go back any further.

Let us not forget the accusation of Blair having been a liar - http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... 69#p305969

Still waiting for a response to that one.
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Re: Orthopraxy in Apologetics?

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Pragmatism/Mormonism


This first one is going to be a tough one, let's see:

Pragmatism/Bowling

(I think I did it! I can assert whatever I want too!)

Radical empiricism /(including spiritual experience)


You almost stumped me here:

Radical empiricism / (including experiences when bowling)

The primacy of humanism / for Mormons, God himself is human


Humanism / Bowling lanes are made for man.

Humans create the world by organizing chaos through perception etc. / see above


Humans create the world by organizing chaos through perception / see above

Dynamic universe / eternal progression


Dynamic universe / improving ones bowling score is an eternal pursuit, and my previous point about the ever-changing nature of the game. No two lanes are alike, there is no exact frame of reference in bowling, no perfect score on an ideal lane -- wood conditions/oil etc.

Life affirming ethics / man should repent and be the best they are capable of


Life affirming ethics / man should bowl with good sportsmanship and play by the rules.

Materialism / even spirit is matter


Materialism / The lanes and the ball are all matter

Social construction of reality through functionality / Godhead unified in purpose


Social construction / bowling can best be understood as a social construction

Show me some parallels with your bowling theory of epistemology etc and maybe I will understand your brilliant point.


Clean up your exegesis a little MFB. I offered on bowling "theory of epistemology", I offered pragmatism as compatible with a bowling-centric worldview.

(by the way, my response to your post in no way implies that I accept your points about Mormonism as valid. Most of your points are patently stupid)
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Re: Orthopraxy in Apologetics?

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Don't knock the bowling theory of epistemology, mflebowski.
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Re: Orthopraxy in Apologetics?

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ttribe wrote:Start here - viewtopic.php?p=305965#p305965


Lol! Wow, it looks like I've got my very own "Malevolent Stalker"! It seems like you've got a lot of time on your hands, Tim. As for this first link, it has been dealt with. I've established some pretty clear reasons as to why LoaP shouldn't necessarily be trusted here. Dr. Cam asked for very specific, concrete evidence, and of course, LoaP hasn't provided it. Instead, it seems he's relying on you to function as his "LoaPologist."

As far as my request that you prove that I called DCP any of the things he claimed I called him (specifically, that I supposedly called him a "racist" a "pervert" or an "anti-Semite), it seems you've failed miserably. The closest you've got is this:

ttribe wrote:The source of the "racism" matter - viewtopic.php?p=284424#p284424


Right. Of course. This was the bit where a young DCP (according to this person's journal) pretended to be a rabbi and to oversee a Jewish wedding ceremony. For one thing, nowhere in this post do I call DCP an "anti-Semite" which is what both he and you have alleged. I said that I found his behavior "despicable" (and it was---do you disagree?), but I did not call him an "anti-semite."

It seems to me that you've failed, ttribe, to pin your accusations on me. And how! Look at the challenge that was posed to DCP by Sethpayne:

sethpayne wrote:Did he call you an anti-Semite? I saw in the journals where you mocked some Jewish religious ceremonies... but I don't think he called you an anti-Semite.


Did you not scroll down and read the rest of the thread?

I think your credibility is really, really slipping. Honestly, what did you hope to accomplish here? Did you think you would finally show everyone what a bad, mean, eeeevil person that I am? And did you think that a cyber-stalking session of your own was the way to do it?

Lol. Well, carry on, you devoted Latter-day Saint, you. I'm flattered that you're such a fan of my work. Why don't you accuse me of "being born with the nastiness gene"?
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Re: Orthopraxy in Apologetics?

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Doctor Scratch wrote:Lol! Wow, it looks like I've got my very own "Malevolent Stalker"! It seems like you've got a lot of time on your hands, Tim.

It's called the "Search" function Scratch. It's not that hard.

Doctor Scratch wrote:As for this first link, it has been dealt with. I've established some pretty clear reasons as to why LoaP shouldn't necessarily be trusted here.

Where?

Doctor Scratch wrote:As far as my request that you prove that I called DCP any of the things he claimed I called him (specifically, that I supposedly called him a "racist" a "pervert" or an "anti-Semite), it seems you've failed miserably.

I'll let readers be the judge of that.

Doctor Scratch wrote:It seems to me that you've failed, ttribe, to pin your accusations on me.

Again, I'll let he readers be the judge of that.

Doctor Scratch wrote:And how! Look at the challenge that was posed to DCP by Sethpayne:

sethpayne wrote:Did he call you an anti-Semite? I saw in the journals where you mocked some Jewish religious ceremonies... but I don't think he called you an anti-Semite.

Yep...one person questioned the statement. What a MOUNTAIN of evidence. I seem to recall you later tried to disparage Mr. Payne when he defended Mr. Hodges. It seems you waffle with the wind. Perhaps a career in politics is in your future?

Doctor Scratch wrote:Did you not scroll down and read the rest of the thread?

Re-read what I just said.

Doctor Scratch wrote:I think your credibility is really, really slipping.

Since MY credibility was not at issue, I'm not sure where you're going with this.

Doctor Scratch wrote: Honestly, what did you hope to accomplish here? Did you think you would finally show everyone what a bad, mean, eeeevil person that I am?

You challenged me to back up my statement that I thought you'd done worse than what you accused LoaP of; hence the list.

Doctor Scratch wrote: And did you think that a cyber-stalking session of your own was the way to do it?

This is classic. It was FOUR, count 'em, FOUR posts with examples of your malicious behavior to back my assertions regarding your hypocrisy. If THAT'S "cyberstalking" I can't imagine what your actions re: DCP are considered.

Doctor Scratch wrote:Lol. Well, carry on, you devoted Latter-day Saint, you. I'm flattered that you're such a fan of my work. Why don't you accuse me of "being born with the nastiness gene"?

Bizarre.
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Re: Orthopraxy in Apologetics?

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Tim,

On what grounds do you believe that your behavior in this thread is acceptable, from a believing Latter-day Saint perspective? Do you see yourself as a "Judge in Israel", calling me to repentance and whatnot? I mean, that's fine and all! I'm just curious....
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
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