John Gee is a defender of lies

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_Paul Osborne

John Gee is a defender of lies

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John Gee attempts to read the name Shulem on Facsimile No. 3 and explain how Anubis is nothing but a boy's slave. He testifies that Joseph Smith was the greatest Egyptologist ever because he got his information by revelation!

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"The book of Abraham is true," said Brother Gee, author of A Guide to the Joseph Smith Papyri, at the end of his presentation. "I think it can be defended. I think it should be defended. But it's not the be-all-and-end-all of either apologetics or research or the scriptures."


You can’t defend the silly Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 given by Joseph Smith’s pretended revelations. It’s the end of the line for Joseph Smith who was caught red handed making stuff up as he went along.

"We cannot afford to lose sight of the big picture,"


The big picture is the 2 lovely ladies of Facsimile No. 3 and that Joseph Smith’s revelation was false!!

"The critic may be wrong about a point, but if it is not central to the argument, one can often let it slide."


Is the critic wrong to call Joseph Smith a liar for declaring that the name Shulem is contained in the writing of Facsimile No. 3? Joseph Smith was a liar for saying that. That is central to the argument.

"We apologists make no claims to perfection, either in ourselves or our arguments, so it is simply better to let go of bad arguments."


Collect your paycheck and enjoy the prestige you get at BYU, you moron.

"The Book of Abraham is not central to the restored gospel of Christ."


The revelations of Joseph Smith about Facsimile No. 3 are central to the fact that he was a liar and did not restore the gospel of Jesus Christ.

“how the Book of Abraham was translated is unimportant. The Church does not stand or fall on the Book of Abraham.”


Only because you want to salvage your testimony of a liar who taught you that Anubis was a slave. The church never did fall because it never did rise. It's built upon the foundation of man with Joseph Smith as its chief cornerstone, a liar. John Gee is one of his disciples, one who defends deceit. SHAME on him! And shame on Tommy boy Monson for all his lies.

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Always love a good rant.

In other news, Dr. Gee is teaching me Coptic in the fall. Can't wait.
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Where and when did John Gee say these things?

Link, please.
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"Christian anti-Mormons are no different than that wonderful old man down the street who turns out to be a child molester." - Obiwan, nutjob Mormon apologist - Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:25 pm
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Dr. Shades wrote:Where and when did John Gee say these things?

Link, please.


http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/57738/The-Book-of-Abraham-The-larger-issue.html

Wouldn't it be a delight if John Gee denounced the Book of Abraham as a fraud? An Egytologist would never class Anubis as a slave.

Wouldn't it be a delight to see Tommy boy Monson finally grow up? He's no prophet. He is a liar as are all the Mormon prophets. But the coward hides behind the Facsimile No. 3 because he doesn't know what to say. Come forth Tommy boy Monson, you coward!

LOL

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Joseph Antley wrote:Always love a good rant.

In other news, Dr. Gee is teaching me Coptic in the fall. Can't wait.


I bear you my witness that Anubis is NOT a slave but that Joseph Smith lied in order to impress YOU. You have fallen for it. You add to his lie and foster it. Shame!

Joseph Smith lied about the name Shulem being in the Facsimile. He knew it wasn't but made it up to create new revelation for those stupid enough to follow him. Sadly, I was once one of them, but the dark side of the force has shown the way. Mormonism will crumble all in good time.

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Very interesting read. If I understand it right Gee would be the Church's main scholarly champion for apologetic defense of the Book of Abraham. I noticed they linked him to MI and hence I suppose MI's stand on Book of Abraham defense will be to follow the champions lead.

His defense, exclude it from Mormon apologetics!

He named six items which apologetics should focus on. Zeezroms recent threads quickly came to mind, i.e. limit the focus to "healthy" testimony items.

I'm sorry, I'm horrible with names and have no access to the pundits thread right now. Seems that leaves William and his co-author/friend's book as the only remaining defense.

Please tell me more about what seems like the only remaining player, William's co-author? (I don't personally put any weight on William's expertise here).

I also wonder if any of the young generation of Mormon theology scholars will pick up the fight?

How about you Anthony?
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LET JOHN GEE CHOKE ON THIS CRAP INVENTED BY HIS FALSE PROPHET THAT HE DEFENDS, JUST SO HE CAN GET THAT PAYCHECK EVERY MONTH FROM BYU.

http://nowscape.com/Mormon/perfect_B.htm

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Paul Osborne wrote:LET JOHN GEE CHOKE ON THIS CRAP INVENTED BY HIS FALSE PROPHET THAT HE DEFENDS, JUST SO HE CAN GET THAT PAYCHECK EVERY MONTH FROM BYU.

http://nowscape.com/Mormon/perfect_B.htm

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Paul, you have started a potentially very good thread here ... don't ruin it, give us some good feed back on this.
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John Gee wrote:The book of Abraham is true. I think it can be defended. I think it should be defended. But it's not the be-all-and-end-all of either apologetics or research or the scriptures.


Read: “I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me.” Stuart Smalley, Saturday Night Life character. Sounds like Gee is trying to give LDS Inc a 'personal affirmation' of self-worth.

John Gee wrote:We cannot afford to lose sight of the big picture.
Read: Basic defense strategy, when you are losing the details (little things, you know, like part of the canon of scripture), draw back and remind others to look at the big picture. It's okay to lose site of the details, after all.

John Gee wrote:The critic may be wrong about a point, but if it is not central to the argument, one can often let it slide.
Then, again, the critic has the evidence on his side, so in all probability is right. The next best thing for the apologist, instruct the followers to just "let it slide."

John Gee wrote:We apologists make no claims to perfection, either in ourselves or our arguments, so it is simply better to let go of bad arguments.
Yes, it would be best for LDS Inc to just let go--of BoAbr, and de-canonize it.

John Gee wrote:The Book of Abraham is not central to the restored gospel of Christ.
Not central? Not important that the guy who claimed to have with divine assistance translated the handwriting of Abraham didn't, but come on, folks, you can still believe the same guy who claimed to have with divine assistance translated gold plates about Jews that came to the Western Hemisphere around 600 BC.

John Gee wrote:how the Book of Abraham was translated is unimportant. The Church does not stand or fall on the Book of Abraham.
That's right, it's unimportant how Joe Smith "translated" a Book of Breathings to be something written by the hand of Abraham. It is, after all, unimportant if Joe Smith was pulling one over the eyes of his followers. It doesn't make you a chump to continue to be a follower of Joe Smith even if you know BoAbr was just the ruminations of his imagination.
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