why me wrote: Harmony acts like a believer and yet, she really does not believe. If one believes that Joseph was a sexaholic and a fraud, how can one believe in the church? It is a contradiction. If I had harmony's attitude toward Joseph Smith, I would never be a member.
Now believing and not living it is much more understandable and their are many members like me. But believing Joseph Smith was a horny toad, a fraud as harmony does and yet, still remain a member and attend the temple, is a contradiction.
If your description of harmony is accurate(which she says is not) then yes it is a contradiction, and there are many in the church like that, just as there are many like yourself, which is also a contradiction. Life is full of condradictions, and I don't mind either group, but I had to call you on your hypocrisy.
Joseph Antley wrote: Book of Abraham apologetics isn't something I've looked extensively into, and so I haven't given it much thought. As for the problems specifically with the facsimiles, however, I am of the belief that either an ancient redactor or Joseph Smith reinterpreted them through inspiration.
Oh for the love of Jesus. Your belief is tied to that of Joseph Smith’s who revealed by his revelation that the name Shulem is written in the characters of Facsimile No. 3. That is what you must believe if you want to toe Joseph’s line. Otherwise, you are an apostate. Joseph Smith would have excommunicated anyone who openly opposed his translation of Shulem. Either way, you loose.
Little wonder Joseph Smith was murdered. He was a skunk and a liar. Crucify him!
Nightlion wrote: I think you've got a broken heart from failing to be the champion you thought you could be. Instead of realizing why it was that you failed, because you were denied by incompetent LDS leadership the real and true spiritual assets you need to come of a conqueror, you betray the righteous.
I'm glad I'm out of the LDS cult. I'm glad I turned against Joseph Smith. When I die, I will face him down and smite him. If you stand by him then I will smite you too.
Dr. Shades wrote:And that's exactly what happened!
Ahh..but there is a loophole. Not all was found. Only a small portion of the JSP was uncovered.
It still does not account for Joseph Smith's risk taking of being uncovered. It would have been a no win situation for him. Eventually, he would have known that he would be discovered if he knew that he was commiting a fraud. And since, he was rather smart, I don't think that he would have commited such a risk.
Only a "small portion" recovered??? Did you miss reading this Post on this very Thread??? Anyway, The 'Missing' Papyrus theory for the Book of Abraham is a red herring. We already have the Papyrus from which the Book of Abraham was 'translated' from. The Book of Abraham was 'translated' from the Book of Breathings text ((also known as Shait en Sensen) "Breathing permit" for the priest Hor text).
The Joseph Smith explanation says that this is, "Shulem, one of the king’s principal waiters, as represented by the characters above his hand."
Joseph Smith is a liar! He knew damn well that he couldn't read the characters above the hand of this person in the papyrus. He faked a translation and lied to the whole world in the Times & Seasons. I bear testimony in the name of Jesus Christ that the name Shulem is not found in the writing spied by Joseph Smith's eyes and that he deceived his people.
Believe it not! Do not believe in false Christs and false prophets. Bring Joseph Smith before me and I will smite him down. I'm not afraid of him.
The Joseph Smith explanation says that this is, "Olimlah, a slave belonging to the prince."
You are a liar, Joseph Smith. Your revelation is false and the very roots of Mormonism are a lie. You cannot read Egyptian.
This person is the god Anubis, mighty in Egypt! You have blasphemed against Egypt, Mr. Smith. The penalty for this wicked act is death. Cursed be the Mormon prophet who has blasphemed against sacred papryi of Egypt.
Paul Osborne wrote: The Joseph Smith explanation says that this is, "Shulem, one of the king’s principal waiters, as represented by the characters above his hand." ... I bear testimony in the name of Jesus Christ that the name Shulem is not found in the writing spied by Joseph Smith's eyes and that he deceived his people.
Paul, what do the characters say?
"I'd say Joseph, that your anger levels are off the charts. What you are, Joseph, is a bully." - Gadianton "Antley's anger is approaching...levels of volcanic hatred." - Scratch
Joseph Antley wrote: Paul, what do the characters say?
Joseph Smith didn’t know what the characters said. His revelation was false. He made up the explanations in the Facsimile just as he made up the story of Abraham in the chapters they represent. The saints were blissfully unaware of his deception. Egyptian at that time was a dead language and deciphering the language was still in the groundbreaking stages across the sea.
So what do the characters say? Does it bother you to know that Joseph Smith made this stuff up out of thin air? If this doesn’t bother your conscience, then it appears to me that honesty is not important to you. But maybe it is.
Contrary to Joseph Smith’s explanation the characters above the hand say, “Osiris Horus, justified forever”.
