Lords Prayer, JST and Book of Mormon?

[_zzyzx]

How come the Lords Prayer in the Book of Mormon and the Joseph Smith Translation of The Bible are not the same?

[_zeezrom]

I vaguely recall visiting this issue in the MTC. I need to remind myself of the issue:

3 Nephi 13:
12 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
13 For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.

Matthew 6:13:
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:
For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

JST Matthew 6:13:
14 And suffer us not to be led into temptation, but deliver us from evil:
For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

It's coming back to me now.... My companion was sitting next to me in class and asked about this. It was news to both of us. The teacher said he did not know the answer. Nothing was said about it again. I remember wondering about it but then forgot about it until you brought it up today.

Looking at the explanation on http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon/Anachronisms/Translation_Errors_from_the_KJV/Lord%27s_Prayer

[_Inconceivable]

This is what you're talking about right?

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

(New Testament | Matthew 6:13)

11 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
12 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
13 For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.

(Book of Mormon | 3 Nephi 13:11 - 13)

13 And suffer us not to be led into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

(New Testament | JST Matthew 6:14)

As a TBM, it pestered me that Smith would repair the damage done to the New Testament but completely miss the original translation in the most correct of any book (Book of Mormon). Particularly when it makes sense that Satan would be the one doing the leading us to sin.

I don't think Smith ever read his own book.

[_zeezrom]

I'm finding the FAIR explanation less than helpful:

It is possible that Jesus taught the Lord's Prayer on multiple occasions and didn't always use the same form, making Matthew's account neither incomplete nor corrupt, merely a record of one of several sermons that include the Lord's Prayer. It is even possible that during His mortal ministry Jesus spoke the doxology yet never combined the doxology with the Lord's Prayer, but that He combined those teachings during His three-day ministry among the Nephites.

http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon/Anachronisms/Translation_Errors_from_the_KJV/Lord%27s_Prayer

[_bcspace]

How come the Lords Prayer in the Book of Mormon and the Joseph Smith Translation of The Bible are not the same?

Because when Joseph Smith was translating the Book of Mormon, he came across something familar and wrote down what he knew at the time.

[_zeezrom]

Because when Joseph Smith was translating the Book of Mormon, he came across something familar and wrote down what he knew at the time.

FAIR says it could be that Jesus provided us with 2 different versions.

I think the best answer an apologist can give is "We don't know why."

Because you really don't. You are just speculating.

[_bcspace]

FAIR says it could be that Jesus provided us with 2 different versions.

I don't always prefer the answers at FAIR.

I think the best answer an apologist can give is "We don't know why."

I agree.

Because you really don't. You are just speculating.

That's right. The question was asked and I gave my personal take on the matter.

[_zzyzx]

"Because when Joseph Smith was translating the Book of Mormon, he came across something familar and wrote down what he knew at the time."

So he wrote down 'what he knew' instead of translating/reading off the words as they appeare to him in English in the hat?

Either he 'translated' or he made it up. Which is it? The Words appeared, he read them off and had them read back and only after they were CORRECT... would the next words appear. Something is wrong with this one.

[_Yoda]

That's right. The question was asked and I gave my personal take on the matter.

What is your personal take on how the translation process took place, as a whole?

[_harmony]

. You are just speculating.

Isn't speculating the basis for LDS apologetics?