How many souls, Schryver and Gee?

[_Nimrod]

For months now, Will Schryver has attempted to tantalize and tease critics here that he and John Gee have the BoAbr apologetic that will put the stoppers in the pie holes of all critics. Schryver and Gee will roll it out in August, at the 2010 FAIR conference.

If Schryver's or Gee's interest was in answering critics so that criticisms of the BoAbr and Joseph Smith in "translating" the BoAbr are laid to rest and do not have a corrosive effect on the testimonies of those LDS Inc'rs that are doubting, they'd have rolled out their new, show-stopping apologetic as soon as they had formulated it, arranged the facts that support it, and prepared for the counter argument expected.

Rather, we continually hear that it is months away (now just two until August).

In the meantime awaiting the roll out of this marvelous work and a wonder of an apologetic, how many LDS souls are Schryver and Gee sacrificing to apostasy in the interim so that they can get thunder and adulation at the FAIR conference in August by waiting until then to roll it out?

It's just the souls of fellow spirit brothers and sisters, but they're just not worth Schryver and Gee losing their FAIR panache. Could that be so?

[_RockSlider]

Any good marketing effort revolves around the trade show announcement. I should not be saying this, as it's too early to say, but William's recent announcement that the KEP would be released to the public via the book was a real disappointment to me. How/why could the church have kept these so tight to the chest for all these years, and then release them to the world in a private book for profit of a few individuals?

Sorry William, this just seems wrong to me. I hope I have misunderstood.

[_harmony]

Any good marketing effort revolves around the trade show announcement. I should not be saying this, as it's too early to say, but William's recent announcement that the KEP would be released to the public via the book was a real disappointment to me. How/why could the church have kept these so tight to the chest for all these years, and then release them to the world in a private book for profit of a few individuals?

Sorry William, this just seems wrong to me. I hope I have misunderstood.

What I want to know is... if this is so earthshaking, why isn't it being handled by the FP? This sort of thing would seem to come under the job description of "prophet, seer, revelator", not "apologist".

Which is the main reason I think Will is full of horsepucky. The day this sort of thing comes from "apologist" and not from "prophet, seer, revelator" is the day we know there is no such thing as truth in this church. So go for it, Will!

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Any good marketing effort revolves around the trade show announcement. I should not be saying this, as it's too early to say, but William's recent announcement that the KEP would be released to the public via the book was a real disappointment to me. How/why could the church have kept these so tight to the chest for all these years, and then release them to the world in a private book for profit of a few individuals?

Sorry William, this just seems wrong to me. I hope I have misunderstood.

What I want to know is... if this is so earthshaking, why isn't it being handled by the FP? This sort of thing would seem to come under the job description of "prophet, seer, revelator", not "apologist".

Which is the main reason I think Will is full of horsepucky. The day this sort of thing comes from "apologist" and not from "prophet, seer, revelator" is the day we know there is no such thing as truth in this church. So go for it, Will!

Or expressed another way, Will is full of himself.

[_bcspace]

In the meantime awaiting the roll out of this marvelous work and a wonder of an apologetic, how many LDS souls are Schryver and Gee sacrificing to apostasy in the interim so that they can get thunder and adulation at the FAIR conference in August by waiting until then to roll it out?

Not this one. Even if they never roll anything out.

[_moksha]

It's just the souls of fellow spirit brothers and sisters, but they're just not worth Schryver and Gee losing their FAIR panache. Could that be so?

Good things come to those that wait. However, endless torment goes to those who "bait and switch", not that this would ever happen at the FAIR presentations.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Harmony,

What I want to know is... if this is so earthshaking, why isn't it being handled by the FP? This sort of thing would seem to come under the job description of "prophet, seer, revelator", not "apologist".

Well, that is what one would think however...

Evidently Gee and Schryver are some of the very few special people who received access to view some ancient documents that the FP have kept hidden from the world. The way things seem to work in the LDS church these days is that apologists put out something and the "brethren" see how it flies; if it seems to be good PR then the men go with it, if not, they let it quietly die.

Who knows, maybe we will see this amazing, earth shattering, revelation confirming information in an upcoming Ensign? ;-)

~td~

[_zeezrom]

Is it worth paying tithing and going through the motions if you make a career out of the church?

I wish religion didn't have to be so career based. I was listening to some nonmormon preacher on the radio the other day and found myself asking, "Why is he so interested that I believe what he's saying? What is motivating him to say we should meet and worship together?" Why is not some stranger walking down the sidewalk telling me this instead?

Is it just me or does religion always tend to take on some amount of sale?

[_Nimrod]

The way things seem to work in the LDS church these days is that apologists put out something and the "brethren" see how it flies; if it seems to be good PR then the men go with it, if not, they let it quietly die.

Much wiser than the lack of PR in the days of Joseph Smith and BY. Those two just said whatever came to mind. It got them both into a lot of trouble.

[_Tchild]

The way things seem to work in the LDS church these days is that apologists put out something and the "brethren" see how it flies; if it seems to be good PR then the men go with it, if not, they let it quietly die.

I don't know. How many members follow LDS apologetics? A few thousand at best? How many general authorities are even aware of the arguments, a few dozen?

I would be curious to know a single issue that has been first tackled and explained by an apologetic arm that has then been incorporated into the general membership via general conference, the Ensign or the teaching manuals used at the ward or seminary level?

The church is still preaching a literal world-wide flood and that is the most embarrassingly silly literal belief one could still retain.

Apologetics is the rational avenue for a thinking person to try and fit the square peg of Mormonism into the round hole of their experiential world. Most of them there will be banging on that square peg till the end of their days futiley trying to make it fit.