No Tithing Money Used

[_The Mighty Builder]

The story that “No Tithing Funds” are being used in the construction of the City Creek Center is the same as:

A woman marries an alcoholic man who has not worked since his teenage years. She marries him out of desperation and loneliness.

For the marriage to work she gets a job, gives him an allowance so he can buy beer and be home for her.

Several years go by and one day she comes home from work to find him in their bed with a prostitute. This is just too much for her.

Her – “Of all the things I have suffered under your hands, this is the worst!! I give you money, I pay all the bills, I have two jobs, I do the housework and this is how you repay me, cheating on me with a whore in my own bed!”

His reply – “Now wait one minute woman. I will have you know that not one dime of your money was spent on this expense. Why for years I have been saving up my empties and it was with the money I got from recycling my beer cans that I was able to afford this indulgence.”

For your information the Money to build City Creek Center is the Ensign Investment Fund money or in other words the Church Employee Retirement fund which has about 5 Billion dollars in assets. Some money is coming from the “General Fund” and other sources.

[_Darth J]

Besides the commingling issue, other Not Frequently Asked Questions are:

--If the Church has all these businesses, what is it doing with the money it makes from those businesses?

--If the Church is so prosperous that it can build a multi-billion dollar mall in downtown Salt Lake City (never mind the rest of the Church's business holdings), why does the Church need our tithing money? If it's about "sacrifice" or "helping others," why can't we give 10% to humanitarian charities, since the Church does not appear to be hurting for cash?

[_Tchild]

There is no quicker way to stop caring, than to simply cease contributing tithing dollars to the church. If members do not require accountability from their church, opacity and double speak is what they will get in return.

Of course, the whole church is built upon an authoritarian hierarchy so it is damn nearly bulletproof from the checks and balances that would lead it to accountability.

An authoritarian, religion is F***ing absolutely brilliant as a religious-corporate entity. Joseph Smith I bow to your money making genius.

[_bcspace]

The story that “No Tithing Funds” are being used in the construction of the City Creek Center is the same as:

Sure. It's simply smart politics. It's often claimed, for example, that tax dollars are not being used for this and that and on the surface, it appears that way. The difference is that I don't mind the Church using my tithing dollars for any of these activities and I don't consider the Church to be lying or deceiving anyone in the matter.

An authoritarian, religion is F***ing absolutely brilliant as a religious-corporate entity. Joseph Smith I bow to your money making genius.

Luke 16:9-12

[_Runtu]

So what happens to the church employees' retirement funds if the church loses money on this project, which appears likely?

[_bcspace]

So what happens to the church employees' retirement funds if the church loses money on this project, which appears likely?

I'm betting nothing will happen to those funds.

[_Polygamy-Porter]

So what happens to the church employees' retirement funds if the church loses money on this project, which appears likely?

They will roll up the statements of loss and all unpaid bills into the temple prayer rolls and the big 15 wil pray it away!

They could always sell that chunk of public road back to the city...

[_Runtu]

I'm betting nothing will happen to those funds.

The church seems to be making the same bet.

If the fund's assets are about $5 billion and the costs are roughly that, if the project loses money, the losses come from the employees' retirement. It seems awfully risky to put all of the fund's eggs in one basket.

So, which do you believe:

1. The project will be successful and bring in more money for the fund.

2. The church will cover any losses to the fund.

[_Joseph]

Mr space wrote: "The difference is that I don't mind the Church using my tithing dollars for any of these activities and I don't consider the Church to be lying or deceiving anyone in the matter".

Some do mind. Mind a lot. So much so they have stepped away because of the ingeneous lies constructed to keep 'no tithing money' statements true ON THE SURFACE. They are lies and we all know they are lies. What is The Lords Church doing building a shopping center? What is it doing building anything but LDS buildings and doing charitable works?

It is a corporation with all the negative that conjures up. Add in the fact they stopped giving financial reports years ago and only do so in areas of the world where they can't get away from it and you have a perfect system of cover-ups, cheating and lying while telling members 'all is well'.

Many realize not all is well. Many do not believe it at all. Some don't like being lied to and no longer participate in many things as a result.