Worthwhile Apologists on MDB.

[_Trevor]

Hmm. That's not quite what happened. I argued that their glpyh-based language was not a written language unless you considered artwork writings.

The question isn't exactly closed, nor do I really consider it an important one.

Boner.

[_karl61]

I'm willing to take on all comers, but they chicken out, brand me a troll, put me on ignore or, worse, pretend to issue automated messages.

But what really galls me to no end (of course, I'm joking) is when they make claims about what I've said and can't seem to find the proof in it.

I'd say, we apologists declare victory in this thread.

You seem to have ran when I asked you why Brigham Young was riding around in a cart which was property of a family massacred by LDS henchmen. It's really just inline with the old testament where Joshua led his followers as they killed all in the village and took all the booty. In fact, it's seems to be bragging about it in the old testament.

[_EAllusion]

Hmm. That's not quite what happened. I argued that their glpyh-based language was not a written language unless you considered artwork writings.

The question isn't exactly closed, nor do I really consider it an important one.

That was your attempted out after it was pointed out that the Mayans did indeed have a written language. This is also just the kind of argument winning logic why me seems to be referring to.

Let's go to the tape:

You:

It is difficult under any circumstance to pinpoint horses during the Mayan period. The Mayans had no written language, per Dr. Coe, but their glyph system of abstract communication in a rudimentary system does not seem to contain glyphs of horses.

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/vie ... ph#p133627

[_Trevor]

That was your attempted out after it was pointed out that the Mayans did indeed have a written language. This is also just the kind of argument winning logic why me seems to be referring to.

Yahoo Bot is simply wrong. There is no getting around it. All characters used in writing are essentially "pictures." Some are more abstract than others. Just because some characters are more easily identifiable as "pictures" does not mean they are not writing. Anyone who argues crap like this is not worth engaging. It is plain idiocy.

[_Ray A]

I'm willing to take on all comers, but they chicken out, brand me a troll, put me on ignore or, worse, pretend to issue automated messages.

Which reminds me, I recently visited your web page

[_Yahoo Bot]

Yahoo Bot is simply wrong. There is no getting around it. All characters used in writing are essentially "pictures." Some are more abstract than others. Just because some characters are more easily identifiable as "pictures" does not mean they are not writing. Anyone who argues s*** like this is not worth engaging. It is plain idiocy.

I've been called worse here; you're just another unhappy person. Rather endemic around here.

Coe's work documents the decades-old controversy over the issue. I tend to the more conservative view for a bunch of different reasons, that the glyphs do not represent abstract thoughts, but parts of Coe's work challenges that notion. Nothing in the quote above from EA is different than what I believe or contrary to the view of scholars. The understanding of Mayan is by no means unanimous. Coe is just a better writer than any other.

[_Yahoo Bot]

You seem to have ran when I asked you why Brigham Young was riding around in a cart which was property of a family massacred by LDS henchmen.

Exactly who is the witness to this claim? (I know the answer, but do you?)

[_Ray A]

Here is my count so far: 0

So there are none you can out debate?

What's the point trying to debate someone who believes that "spirits", "God's spirit children" only entered bodies 6,000 years ago? I've tried to knock some sense into your Mormon-brainwashed head, but to no avail.

[_Ray A]

I'd say, we apologists declare victory in this thread.

And you earlier fervently denied being an apologist. So what are you? A liar?

[_Jersey Girl]

Here is my count so far: 0

I hate making lists like this. I always leave someone out.

So, you said on MDB, right?

Nevo (Have read him for years)
David Bokovoy (Like his style)
Gazelam (Appreciate witnessing his journey, his self-conviction)

And the apologist turned apostate award goes to:

mikwut

...it's always been mikwut. Forever mikwut.

You out there, mik?
:-)