Worthwhile Apologists on MDB.

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why me wrote:I haven't seen any apologist lose an argument on this board.


"We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their shovels - We have driven them back."


"Whenever we attack, they retreat. When we pound them with missiles and heavy artillery, they retreat even deeper. But when we stopped pounding, they pushed to the airport for propaganda purposes.''


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Yahoo Bot wrote:I've been called worse here; you're just another unhappy person. Rather endemic around here.


Yahoo, what did I call you? I mean, really. Go ahead. Tell me all about it. If I refer to the fact that you have lied (like every other person on the planet), then you accuse me of calling you a liar. If I say that it is not worth engaging people who are willfully oblivious to the facts, you say I have called you something else. What is it this time?

Don't pout and play the victim. So you have said some pretty stupid crap. Just get over it. We all do it. Own up to it and drop all of the passive aggressive BS about how I must be unhappy if I don't blow sunshine up your ass for making stupid statements. Surely I would expect no less from you.

Yahoo Bot wrote:Coe's work documents the decades-old controversy over the issue. I tend to the more conservative view for a bunch of different reasons, that the glyphs do not represent abstract thoughts, but parts of Coe's work challenges that notion. Nothing in the quote above from EA is different than what I believe or contrary to the view of scholars. The understanding of Mayan is by no means unanimous. Coe is just a better writer than any other.


Yeah, whatever. I really don't care. Just let go of it, Yahoo. You'll feel much better. Everyone is allowed a boner or two. Probably more. I know it won't kill you to let go of it.
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Jersey Girl wrote:Nevo (Have read him for years)
David Bokovoy (Like his style)
Gazelam (Appreciate witnessing his journey, his self-conviction)


Well, I don't think Ray is in the mood for this kind of generosity.

Nevo: yes.
David: haven't seen him in a while, but he is working at BYU now. Coincidence?
Gazelam: generally like him, but his attitudes about gays are seriously repugnant to me.
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Ray A wrote:Here is my count so far: 0


Oh, now... don't be snide. We have lots of worthwhile apologists on MDB.

ttribe is definitely worthwhile.
gazelem also.
bcspace and thenehor are worthwhile.
ben mcquire, enuma whatever, yahoo bot... all worthwhile
mfb----ski, nevo, lifeonaplate, wade, william... all worthwhile.

The count is far higher than 0.
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harmony wrote:Oh, now... don't be snide. We have lots of worthwhile apologists on MDB.

ttribe is definitely worthwhile.
gazelem also.
bcspace and thenehor are worthwhile.
ben mcquire, enuma whatever, yahoo bot... all worthwhile
mfb----ski, nevo, lifeonaplate, wade, william... all worthwhile.

The count is far higher than 0.


Sure, each one of them is worthwhile as a human being. I have seen that in spades. Some are more of a pain in the ass than others, but certainly fine chaps all.

Some of their personae, otoh, are more expendable than others, imho.
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Trevor wrote:Some of their personae, otoh, are more expendable than others, imho.


I'm a lot nicer in person... just sayin'...
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So there are none you can out debate?

What's the point trying to debate someone who believes that "spirits", "God's spirit children" only entered bodies 6,000 years ago? I've tried to knock some sense into your Mormon-brainwashed head, but to no avail.


I don't necessarily believe it. I'm simply giving a plausible scenario under which evolution can work without being in conflict with LDS doctrine or scripture. If the Lord can place the spirit of man within him, it is not unreasonable to speculate on the possibilities of when this might have happened. As it turns out, my hypothesis matches the Church's doctrine that Adam was the first man as well as the "when" in that it happened when Adam was created and then placed into the garden.
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harmony wrote:
Trevor wrote:Some of their personae, otoh, are more expendable than others, imho.


I'm a lot nicer in person... just sayin'...


Indubitably. I'm not hatin' here. I don't judge people too harshly based on the kind of crap they pull in these discussions.
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bcspace wrote:I don't necessarily believe it. I'm simply giving a plausible scenario under which evolution can work without being in conflict with LDS doctrine or scripture. If the Lord can place the spirit of man within him, it is not unreasonable to speculate on the possibilities of when this might have happened. As it turns out, my hypothesis matches the Church's doctrine that Adam was the first man as well as the "when" in that it happened when Adam was created and then placed into the garden.


Cut the BS, BC. You are forever claiming that there's "no contradiction" between Mormonism and science, and now you're saying this is "only my opinion". Well, science does not function on "opinion". So you either accept science and empirical findings, or reject Mormonism, but don't come with this hybrid version of complete incoherence, creating the false impression that science and Mormonism blend in a sweet and uncontentious manner. The worst kind of deception is self-deception.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
I hate making lists like this. I always leave someone out.

So, you said on MDB, right?

Nevo (Have read him for years)
David Bokovoy (Like his style)
Gazelam (Appreciate witnessing his journey, his self-conviction)

And the apologist turned apostate award goes to:

mikwut

...it's always been mikwut. Forever mikwut.

You out there, mik?
:-)


I'd probably give Nevo a pass, so maybe I could amend that to 1. Maybe. Mik is no longer here, and Bokovoy is still holding to some weird apologetic meshing of truth and fiction, unlike his much more thorough and logical tutor, David Wright.
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