Chances MAD will let me back in

[_zeezrom]

Nauvoo polygamy with Joseph Smith started in 1841 and ended in 1843. He married many women in that short time. I think that there was a reason for this and I don't think that it was because he was a horny guy trying his luck with many women. But it does seem that he was in a hurry to practice polygamy and there must have been a reason for this. Was it pressure from above or...his sexual drive? With all his troubles and problems I don't think that these problems would be lessened with polygamy.

And he does seem to have genuinely loved his wife emma.

Yes, but the fact that I disagree with what you say here causes all kinds of problems at MAD. It also changes my status as a Mormon. Just a simple opinion (about men and a God-idea) takes me out of Mormonism. It takes me out for two reasons: I don't belong and I find many things repulsive. Religion was supposed to be good for the individual but when it becomes repulsive, I have to let it go and they have to let go of me.

[_Themis]

Nauvoo polygamy with Joseph Smith started in 1841 and ended in 1843. He married many women in that short time.

He was with at least 2 before this period, and considering he was trying to keep this secret there may have been more.

I think that there was a reason for this and I don't think that it was because he was a horny guy trying his luck with many women.

Being Horny is a least a reason that is supported by the evidence, and I do think he was doing it for other reasons as well. You think there is a reason but can't come up with one. lol

But it does seem that he was in a hurry to practice polygamy and there must have been a reason for this. Was it pressure from above or...his sexual drive?

It only seem that way because you want to see it that way. All we have is that he started slow and speed up until he died, and it is irrelevant. It can't show why he was doing it so fast. Horny people would like to have as many as they can get. It also doesn't explain why God would force it on him and other women, and do it behind Emma and these other husband's back. The only logical reason we have is that God had nothing to do with it, and he wanted to hide his sexual exploits. What better way then to use religion like so many before and after him.

With all his troubles and problems I don't think that these problems would be lessened with polygamy.

Many of his problems were the result of polygamy.

And he does seem to have genuinely loved his wife emma.

Many adulterers do.

Edit: by the way Zee why would you want back on a site that wont let you freely and respectively express your opinions.

[_zeezrom]

Edit: by the way Zee why would you want back on a site that wont let you freely and respectively express your opinions.

I miss the days when I could ask the same question here and there - then look at the results. I don't miss being on that board but would like to compare all the answers. Many of the people on MAD are like the people I interact with in real life.

[_harmony]

Nauvoo polygamy with Joseph Smith started in 1841 and ended in 1843.

The depth of your ignorance is just astounding.

[_Runtu]

I miss the days when I could ask the same question here and there - then look at the results. I don't miss being on that board but would like to compare all the answers. Many of the people on MAD are like the people I interact with in real life.

In my view, it's not worth the cost just to compare answers. People over there are free to post here, after all. I find I enjoy life more if I don't have to deal with the self-censoring and the seriously unpleasant exchanges.

[_Runtu]

Being Horny is a least a reason that is supported by the evidence, and I do think he was doing it for other reasons as well. You think there is a reason but can't come up with one. lol

The best explanation I can come up with is that he did it because he could. That seems to be why so many charismatic religious leaders end up demanding sexual favors from their followers.

Many of his problems were the result of polygamy.

Many, but not all.

Many adulterers do.

It's worth noting that Joseph seems to have engaged in plural marriage during periods when Emma was sick or pregnant. Such is the case with Fanny Alger, and during the "peak years" of 1841-43, Emma was bedridden much of the time. Newell and Avery present good evidence that her health problems were a result of the malaria epidemic when they arrived in Nauvoo.

[_moksha]

Religion was supposed to be good for the individual but when it becomes repulsive, I have to let it go and they have to let go of me.

Repulsiveness can be found in so many past, present and future events. This would seem like a continual source of dissatisfaction unless one takes the approach that they will do what they can to make this a better world. Letting go can begin the process of internal healing, but ultimately what is needed is external action.

Apart from this thought, what a shame MAD cannot be more inclusive. I have heard that the reason this more lofty ideal is not adhered to stems from wanting the participation of posters who gravitate toward a hermetically sealed environment. This makes the philosophy of MAD much like that of vault dwellers: Seal it up and they will stay.

[_Themis]

The best explanation I can come up with is that he did it because he could. That seems to be why so many charismatic religious leaders end up demanding sexual favors from their followers.

Yup another words horny. Sexual drive and positions of power result in many getting it because as you say they can, and I think religion gave him the best cover for it.

Many, but not all.

Which is why I also said many. Certainly he had many problems not related to polygamy.

It's worth noting that Joseph seems to have engaged in plural marriage during periods when Emma was sick or pregnant. Such is the case with Fanny Alger, and during the "peak years" of 1841-43, Emma was bedridden much of the time. Newell and Avery present good evidence that her health problems were a result of the malaria epidemic when they arrived in Nauvoo.

Opportunity knocks hehe. I would note that some like whyme seem to try and think because one has extra marital affairs that they don't still have strong feelings towards their spouse, which I think for many is incorrect.

[_why me]

Nauvoo polygamy with Joseph Smith started in 1841 and ended in 1843.

The depth of your ignorance is just astounding.

According to Mosiah Hancock, whose father, Levi, reportedly performed a plural marriage for the Mormon prophet, the first of these unions occurred in Ohio in 1833 when Joseph married sixteen-year-old Fanny Alger. Smith’s next marriage, or “sealing” according to Mormon terminology, may have occurred in 1838 in Missouri, but the great majority of his thirty-three well documented marriages, give or take a few because formal records were not always kept, occurred in 1841-44 in Nauvoo, Illinois.

http://www.signaturebookslibrary.org/es ... lygamy.htm

I missed it by a year. But I didn't think that he married anyone in 1844. However, ignorance is hardly the correct word of description.

But on this site, he married his last wife in 1843.

http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/

But thank you for your comment.

[_why me]

I miss the days when I could ask the same question here and there - then look at the results. I don't miss being on that board but would like to compare all the answers. Many of the people on MAD are like the people I interact with in real life.

You should have been more tame here with your antimormonisms. But you seemed to buy into many of what the critics here said. I never thought that you were comparing answers. You wanted to hear what you wanted to hear and threw away the rest. Did you really believe the answers that you got from MAD as you did here? No.