Robert Taylor Burton: Saint or Murderer?

[_Nightlion]

To a sick man with a hammer, everything is a pathological nail.

I get it now. There IS a secret school where they crank out degrees in how to PRETEND to defend with deflection and tossing sand in the eyes.
Wade, Will, BC, The Nehor, and that other guy I forget all act on rote instinct of immense pride.

3 Nephi 16:10
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

[_Chap]

I have also dedicated a significant amount of study and given a considerable amount of thought to this topic. Your perspectives on the issue mirror my own to an extraordinary degree. We should remember to converse on this topic the next time we meet.

It's pathological I tell you . . .

To some of God's creatures, such behavior is natural enough. To each her own.



Seriously, I bet DCP was really gratified to find he was thinking along the same lines as Schryver.

[_Sethbag]

Am I missing something? RT posted this account of Robert Taylor Burton killing some people who'd already surrendered, and Will Schryver comes along and writes off the whole topic as just the obviously biased, distorted, second-hand story from the brother of one of the deceased.

So someone quotes a different account, from someone who should probably be regarded as neutral, which not only substantially backs up the first version of the story from the dead guy's brother, but actually mentions further killings of innocent people the first story didn't even mention.

And all we've heard from Will Schryver is references to people eating their crap, how his crap doesn't stink, mentions some bizarre fantasy of his where a nickel is placed on an apostate's forehead so Porter Rockwell can attempt to shoot it, and otherwise just attacks and calls names at the apostates.

Will, for “F”'s sake, what about the second confirmation of the original story? Are you going to try to undermine that witness too, so your precious Presiding Bishop's great-great-whatever-father can remain the angelic old-time Mormon pioneer the conference talk apparently made him out to be?

Can we somehow cut out the stupid Will Schryver BS and get back to whether or not the accounts of Robert Taylor Burton's cold-blooded murders have any credibility?

[_Buffalo]

Am I missing something? RT posted this account of Robert Taylor Burton killing some people who'd already surrendered, and Will Schryver comes along and writes off the whole topic as just the obviously biased, distorted, second-hand story from the brother of one of the deceased.

So someone quotes a different account, from someone who should probably be regarded as neutral, which not only substantially backs up the first version of the story from the dead guy's brother, but actually mentions further killings of innocent people the first story didn't even mention.

And all we've heard from Will Schryver is references to people eating their s***, how his s*** doesn't stink, mentions some bizarre fantasy of his where a nickel is placed on an apostate's forehead so Porter Rockwell can attempt to shoot it, and otherwise just attacks and calls names at the apostates.

Will, for f***'s sake, what about the second confirmation of the original story? Are you going to try to undermine that witness too, so your precious Presiding Bishop's great-great-whatever-father can remain the angelic old-time Mormon pioneer the conference talk apparently made him out to be?

Can we somehow cut out the stupid Will Schryver b***s*** and get back to whether or not the accounts of Robert Taylor Burton's cold-blooded murders have any credibility?

Will apes the typical apologetic tactic of deflecting, obfuscating and finally running away, when in a tight corner. I regret providing him an escape rout to avoid actually addressing the issue. Sorry guys.

[_Chap]

I'd like to hear the cool, dispassionate voice of reason for a while.

Some wise, insightful person who can set the story of Robert Taylor Burton in perspective, free of anti-Mormon prejudice and presentism.

Whyme?

[_Jason Bourne]

By the way I interpreted Will's nickel on Buffalo's forhead to mean the Porter Rockwell would then shoot a hole through the nickel as well as Buffalo's head. If it was meant to mean just the nickel then I over reacted. Still Will portrays his typical vindictive on this thread.

[_Blixa]

get back to whether or not the accounts of Robert Taylor Burton's cold-blooded murders have any credibility?

This is a good book to read on it: For Christ Will Come Tomorrow: The Saga of the Morrisites by C. Leroy Anderson. I could furnish a more detailed bibliography in a few days if anyone is interested.

Salt Lake coroner, "Dr." Jeter Clinton comes off the worst in my opinon, as he cut the spinal cord of John Banks the former head of the British Mission's London Conference and second counselor to Joseph Morris. Clinton had his paw in a lot of unsavory pies. He threatened the Valley Tan over publishing on the first Mountain Meadows Massacre reports, and later likely had a hand in suppressing the prosecution of the murderer of Dr. Robinson.

You can see a photo of Mary Christofferson Anderson in David Bigler's Forgotten Kingdom. She was the 14 year old girl whose face was shattered by the cannon ball fired by Burton into the Morrissite's meeting bower.

An interesting feature of the massacre's aftermath was that the only Mormon signatory on the petition to the Governor pardon the Morrissite prisoners was Bill Hickman. I would imagine it would have to be a pretty egregious set of murders to draw his ire.


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[_wenglund]

I see that the hyenas are snipping as Will's heals now. I guess they tired of me. I'm feeling somewhat neglected. A few snarls here and there toward me over the last several days just doesn't cut it after a week of sustained self-righteous indignation. I so much love the smell of hypocracy in the morning.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_harmony]

I see that the hyenas are snipping as Will's heals now. I guess they tired of me. I'm feeling somewhat neglected. A few snarls here and there toward me over the last several days just doesn't cut it after a week of sustained self-righteous indignation. I so much love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I wasn't aware that anyone here was a multiple murderer, although perhaps they have a few on one the family tree branches below them. (I can personally claim one horse thief and multiple white lightning makers).

[_Themis]

I see that the hyenas are snipping as Will's heals now. I guess they tired of me. I'm feeling somewhat neglected. A few snarls here and there toward me over the last several days just doesn't cut it after a week of sustained self-righteous indignation. I so much love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Wade you are a nice guy. I think many believing members do not think the same of Will. Why not call him out on his bad behavior as Consig does. He gains much more credibility by treating people fairly whether they believe or not. by the way I don't think I have ever attacked you, only your arguments and bad behavior from time to time. :)