"If there is an Elder here, or any member of this Church, called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who can bring up the first idea, the first sentence that I have delivered to the people as counsel that is wrong, I really wish they would do it; but they cannot do it, for the simple reason that I have never given counsel that is wrong; this is the reason." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 16, p. 161).
I guess the "speaking as a man" apologetic wasn't fully formed back then.
I have never given counsel that is wrong
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I have never given counsel that is wrong
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Re: I have never given counsel that is wrong
I'm unaware of any prophet saying from the pulpit that they are speaking as a man rather than a prophet or apostle of the Lord.
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Re: I have never given counsel that is wrong
Buffalo wrote:"If there is an Elder here, or any member of this Church, called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who can bring up the first idea, the first sentence that I have delivered to the people as counsel that is wrong, I really wish they would do it; but they cannot do it, for the simple reason that I have never given counsel that is wrong; this is the reason." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 16, p. 161).
I guess the "speaking as a man" apologetic wasn't fully formed back then.
What critics fail to understand is that the word "wrong" had a very different meaning in 19th Century Utah than it does for us today. Presentist attempts to attach our modern understanding of the word to statements by long-deceased church leaders are yet further examples of the ignorance that pervades anti-mormon arguments. If those advancing such an argument were to do even the slightest bit of historical research, they would discover that "wrong" in 19th Century Utah actually meant "right" when used in the context of the above quote. Much as our youth often use the word "bad" to mean "good" or "cool", Brigham Young was merely using the colloquial word usage of his day.
"I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. ... Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I." - Joseph Smith, 1844
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Re: I have never given counsel that is wrong
Baker wrote:Buffalo wrote:"If there is an Elder here, or any member of this Church, called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who can bring up the first idea, the first sentence that I have delivered to the people as counsel that is wrong, I really wish they would do it; but they cannot do it, for the simple reason that I have never given counsel that is wrong; this is the reason." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 16, p. 161).
I guess the "speaking as a man" apologetic wasn't fully formed back then.
What critics fail to understand is that the word "wrong" had a very different meaning in 19th Century Utah than it does for us today. Presentist attempts to attach our modern understanding of the word to statements by long-deceased church leaders are yet further examples of the ignorance that pervades anti-mormon arguments. If those advancing such an argument were to do even the slightest bit of historical research, they would discover that "wrong" in 19th Century Utah actually meant "right" when used in the context of the above quote. Much as our youth often use the word "bad" to mean "good" or "cool", Brigham Young was merely using the colloquial word usage of his day.
Classic MAD board spinmeistering. I doff my cap!
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.