Polygamy and Anti-Evolution in Elder's Quorum this week....

[_cinepro]

This Sunday, I will be teaching the lesson in Elder's Quorum on "Eternal Marriage"

As I was reviewing the lesson material, I noticed that in addition to two verses from D&C 132 used in the context of the lesson (19-20), at the end of the lesson the "Additional Scriptures" makes reference to all of Section 132.

So, since section 132 is explicitly referred to in the lesson manual, would there be grounds for complaint if I were to bring up anything from that section during the course of the lesson? How about if I were to encourage all of the Elders to sit with their wives and read the entire section verse-by-verse?

As a bonus, the manual also teaches:

Adam and Eve were married by God before there was any death in the world.

Assuming the writer of the manual and the correlation committee had seen a globe before, it seems logical to assume that by "world" they meant the planet Earth. And since they didn't specify Spiritual Death, it would indicate they meant both Physical and Spiritual death.

And since the theory of evolution kind of depends on there having been death before Adam came on the scene, would this be a case of a manual re-confirming the "no death before the fall" anti-evolutionary teaching?

[_Yoda]

I would love to be a fly on the wall when you teach that lesson.

By all means, return and report.

;-)

[_cinepro]

I would love to be a fly on the wall when you teach that lesson.

By all means, return and report.

;-)

My EQ is pretty tough to surprise. We had a lesson on Heavenly Mother a month or two ago, and on Easter we had an impromptu discussion of Blood Atonement and the Mountain Meadows Massacre (neither of which discussions I was involved with).

Ultimately, I'm more worried about a boring lesson than a shocking one.

[_malkie]

This Sunday, I will be teaching the lesson in Elder's Quorum on "Eternal Marriage"

As I was reviewing the lesson material, I noticed that in addition to two verses from D&C 132 used in the context of the lesson (19-20), at the end of the lesson the "Additional Scriptures" makes reference to all of Section 132.

So, since section 132 is explicitly referred to in the lesson manual, would there be grounds for complaint if I were to bring up anything from that section during the course of the lesson? How about if I were to encourage all of the Elders to sit with their wives and read the entire section verse-by-verse?

As a bonus, the manual also teaches:

Adam and Eve were married by God before there was any death in the world.

Assuming the writer of the manual and the correlation committee had seen a globe before, it seems logical to assume that by "world" they meant the planet Earth. And since they didn't specify Spiritual Death, it would indicate they meant both Physical and Spiritual death.

And since the theory of evolution kind of depends on there having been death before Adam came on the scene, would this be a case of a manual re-confirming the "no death before the fall" anti-evolutionary teaching?

Are you trying to provoke BC? Or is that just an unintended side effect (;=).

Actually, how would you feel about introducing some of BCspace's ideas here, to see how the quorum members react? Perhaps BC could suggest specific questions/comments, if you were willing.

[_stemelbow]

Go ahead and bring them up. with polygamy ask the question: What if Joseph Smith was wrong in thinking polygamy was from God?

With anti-evolution ask: Is the hypothesis that the earth was made up of pieces of past world[s] sufficient to account for death evidence before Adam and Eve? Was earth as we know it, composed as one previous to "creation" but was not really earth, thus we have fossils and such pre-Adam and Eve estimates? Or were Adam and Eve really from the millions of years ago? Is science just up in the night?

[_DarkHelmet]

I would double check with BC Space before presenting anything as doctrine.

[_LDS truthseeker]

Bring up those issues Cinepro and please let us know how it goes.

[_cinepro]

Bring up those issues Cinepro and please let us know how it goes.

I'm not sure how it will go, but I'm definitely going to have someone read the entire verse of 132:19.

The manual presents it like this:

An eternal marriage must be performed by one who holds the sealing power. The Lord promised, “If a man marry a wife by … the new and everlasting covenant … by him who is anointed, … and if [they] abide in [the Lord’s] covenant, … it … shall be of full force when they are out of the world” (D&C 132:19).

Here's the whole verse. I'm going to ask them to try and read it in one breath:

19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.

[_Mad Viking]

Get their thoughts on verse 16 vis-a-vis the general authority statements about those who do not marry in this life will be given the opportunity in the next. Thanks. Mad.