How to "know" Mormons by getting to know Gay Mormons

[Guest]

"By their fruits ye shall know them.".
;)

[_Shulem]

I'm a gay Mormon. I told (emailed) my bishop that I'm an unrepentant practicing homosexual. That didn't seem to bother him very much. I'm still on the books. I can still get on the Church website and see my name in the ward which I no longer live in.

I guess the church needs members on the roll to make it look good. The faithful ranks are thinning. My exwife left the church and so also my three adult kids! But everyone is still on the rolls! Isn't it marvelous?

Paul O

[_Daheshist]

Mormonism has really only one purpose, to prepare men and women for eternal marriage. Anyone who is not interested in that, or doesn't believe it is real, should not be in the LDS Church. Personally, I would not call myself a Mormon unless I really believed in it. But that's just me.

Did your bishop "suggest" to your ex-wife (when she was not your wife) to date you? Many bishops did that in the 1980s. Church leaders figured gayness could be cured if the young woman was sexy enough, so bishops were asked to hook up sexy young women with single males they knew were gay...without telling the girls of course.

The Church is bleeding badly in North America and Europe, where the Internet exists and everybody can get on it. Europe is going under. They might as well just close shop there. More people are leaving in North America than who are joining the Church is North America.

Latin America, the Church is still growing among the poor, but 90 per cent of the poor don't stay more than a year or two. They just can't handle the three-hour Sunday meeting block, that's after traveling for an hour or so on buses to get to church and back. The poor can't handle the "10 per cent" of gross. The poor in Latin America can't save anything anyway. Ten per cent is just impossible for most of them. Of course, the Church just keeps counting them whether they ever show up again or not.

Black Africa...the Church is growing by leaps and bounds. Ironic isn't it? They don't know about the Curse of Cain thing. Nobody tells them. They have Internet cafes, but most can't afford them, and those who do don't bother to type in "Mormons and blacks". In another 20 years, the Mormon Church will be a predominantly black African church.

I'm a gay Mormon. I told (emailed) my bishop that I'm an unrepentant practicing homosexual. That didn't seem to bother him very much. I'm still on the books. I can still get on the Church website and see my name in the ward which I no longer live in.

I guess the church needs members on the roll to make it look good. The faithful ranks are thinning. My exwife left the church and so also my three adult kids! But everyone is still on the rolls! Isn't it marvelous?

Paul O

[_Brackite]

Mormonism has really only one purpose, to prepare men and women for eternal marriage. Anyone who is not interested in that, or doesn't believe it is real, should not be in the LDS Church. Personally, I would not call myself a Mormon unless I really believed in it. But that's just me.

This is basically true.
Temple/Eternal Marriage is the most important purpose for any man within the LDS Church.

According to LDS Theology, An LDS Man has to get married in the Temple within this lifetime, if he wants to be able to enter into the highest degree of glory within the Celestial Kingdom.
Here is what the late 13th President of the LDS Church, Ezra Taft Benson Stated:

To the Single Adult Brethren of the Church

President Ezra Taft Benson

...

Remember the counsel of Elder Bruce R. McConkie that “the most important single thing that any Latter-day Saint ever does in this world is to marry the right person in the right place by the right authority” (Choose an Eternal Companion, Brigham Young University Speeches of the Year, Provo, 3 May 1966, p. 2).

Understand that temple marriage is essential to your salvation and exaltation.

...

May I now say an additional word about an eternal opportunity and responsibility to which I have referred earlier and which is of greatest importance to you. I am referring to celestial marriage.

Just a few weeks ago, I received a letter from two devoted parents, part of which reads as follows:

“Dear President Benson: We are concerned about what seems to be a growing problem—at least in this part of the Church familiar to us—that is, so many choice young men in the Church over the age of thirty who are still unmarried.

“We have sons thirty, thirty-one, and thirty-three in this situation. Many of our friends also are experiencing this same concern for unmarried sons and daughters.”

Their letter continues:

“In our experience these are usually young men who have been on missions, are well educated, and are living the commandments (except this most important one). There does not appear to be a lack of choice young ladies in the same age bracket who could make suitable companions.

“It is most frustrating to us, as their parents, who sometimes feel we have failed in our parental teachings and guiding responsibilities.”

My dear single adult brethren, we are also concerned. We want you to know that the position of the Church has never changed regarding the importance of celestial marriage. It is a commandment of God. The Lord’s declaration in Genesis is still true: “And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone” (Gen. 2:18).

To obtain a fulness of glory and exaltation in the celestial kingdom, one must enter into this holiest of ordinances.

Without marriage, the purposes of the Lord would be frustrated. Choice spirits would be withheld from the experience of mortality. And postponing marriage unduly often means limiting your posterity, and the time will come, brethren, when you will feel and know that loss.

I can assure you that the greatest responsibility and the greatest joys in life are centered in the family, honorable marriage, and rearing a righteous posterity. And the older you become, the less likely you are to marry, and then you may lose these eternal blessings altogether.

President Spencer W. Kimball recounted an experience he once had:

“Recently I met a young returned missionary who is 35 years old. He had been home from his mission for 14 years and yet he was little concerned about his bachelorhood, and laughed about it.

“I shall feel sorry for this young man when the day comes that he faces the Great Judge at the throne and when the Lord asks this boy: ‘Where is your wife?’ All of his excuses which he gave to his fellows on earth will seem very light and senseless when he answers the Judge. ‘I was very busy,’ or ‘I felt I should get my education first,’ or ‘I did not find the right girl’—such answers will be hollow and of little avail. He knew he was commanded to find a wife and marry her and make her happy. He knew it was his duty to become the father of children and provide a rich, full life for them as they grew up. He knew all this, yet postponed his responsibility” (Ensign, Feb. 1975, p. 2).

I realize that some of you brethren may have genuine fears regarding the real responsibilities that will be yours if you do marry. You are concerned about being able to support a wife and family and provide them with the necessities in these uncertain economic times. Those fears must be replaced with faith.

I assure you, brethren, that if you will be industrious, faithfully pay your tithes and offerings, and conscientiously keep the commandments, the Lord will sustain you. Yes, there will be sacrifices required, but you will grow from these and will be a better man for having met them.

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Honorable marriage is more important than wealth, position, and status. As husband and wife, you can achieve your life’s goals together. As you sacrifice for each other and your children, the Lord will bless you, and your commitment to the Lord and your service in His kingdom will be enhanced.

Now, brethren, do not expect perfection in your choice of a mate. Do not be so particular that you overlook her most important qualities of having a strong testimony, living the principles of the gospel, loving home, wanting to be a mother in Zion, and supporting you in your priesthood responsibilities.

Of course, she should be attractive to you, but do not just date one girl after another for the sole pleasure of dating without seeking the Lord’s confirmation in your choice of your eternal companion.

And one good yardstick as to whether a person might be the right one for you is this: in her presence, do you think your noblest thoughts, do you aspire to your finest deeds, do you wish you were better than you are?

(Ezra Taft Benson, “To the Single Adult Brethren of the Church,” Ensign, May 1988, P. 51-53: Hyper-Link:)




Please Notice that Temple Marriage for an LDS Men is the most important single thing that he can ever do within his lifetime, is essential for his salvation and exaltation, and he will lose his Temple "blessings" if he does not enter into Temple Marriage within this lifetime.

However, According to LDS Theology, An LDS Woman does Not have to get married within this lifetime, if she wants to be able to enter into the highest degree of glory within the Celestial Kingdom.
According to LDS Theology, An LDS Woman will be given another chance to get married within the next life, in order for her to be able to enter into the highest degree of glory within the Celestial Kingdom.
Here is what the late 13th President of the LDS Church, Ezra Taft Benson Also Stated:

To the Single Adult Sisters of the Church

President Ezra Taft Benson

...

The Lord Knows and Loves You

I also recognize that not all women in the Church will have an opportunity for marriage and motherhood in mortality. But if those of you in this situation are worthy and endure faithfully, you can be assured of all blessings from a kind and loving Heavenly Father—and I emphasize all blessings.

I assure you that if you have to wait even until the next life to be blessed with a choice companion, God will surely compensate you. Time is numbered only to man. God has your eternal perspective in mind.

I also recognize that some of our sisters are widowed or divorced. My heart is drawn to you who are in these circumstances. The Brethren pray for you, and we feel a great obligation to see that your needs are met. Trust in the Lord. Be assured He loves you and we love you.

If you are a single parent, make friends with others in similar situations and develop friendships with married couples. Counsel with your priesthood leaders. Let them know of your needs and wants. Single parenthood is understood by the Lord. He knows the special challenges that are yours. You are His daughters. He loves you and will bless and sustain you. This I know.

(Ezra Taft Benson, “To the Single Adult Sisters of the Church,” Ensign, Nov. 1988, P. 96-97: Hyper-Link:)

[_Brackite]

Let me make this very clear. According to LDS Theology, if you are an LDS Man, and you do not get married within this lifetime, you will Not get another chance to get married during the Millennium. It does Not matter if you are mentally ill, mentally handicapped, a homosexual, very shy or very ugly. LDS Theology does Not allow for you to get another chance to get married during the Millennium. During the Millennium, Polygyny will be the true order of marriage, and any of the LDS Women who did not get a chance to get married in their lifetime, will be able to get married to a Polygamist Man during the Millennium.

LDS Church President, Spencer W. Kimball Stated:

How conclusive! How bounded! How limiting! And we come to realize again as it bears heavily upon us that this time, this life, this mortality is the time to prepare to meet God. How lonely and barren will be the so-called single blessedness throughout eternity! How sad to be separate and single and apart through countless ages when one could, by meeting requirements, have happy marriage for eternity by marrying in the temple by proper authority and continue on in ever-increasing joy and happiness, growth, and development.

(Spencer W. Kimball, "Temples and Eternal Marriage," Ensign, Feb. 1995.)



The Late LDS Church Apostle, Bruce R. McConkie stated:
"Obviously the holy practice (of Polygyny) will commence again after the Second Coming of the Son of Man and the ushering in of the millennium."
(Mormon Doctrine, 1966 edition)