Mormonism The Religion Rejected by Dead People (link)
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_The Mighty Builder
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Re: Mormonism The Religion Rejected by Dead People (link)
Radkey found documentation of the baptism of the Wiesenthals last week while conducting regular checks of a church database. Jews have relied on the work of Radkey, a former Mormon, since 1999, although Mormon church officials have publicly questioned her motives for reviewing the database.
On Tuesday she told The Associated Press she periodically checks the database for the Wiesenthal name to gauge whether the latest Mormon efforts to screen the process were working.
Radkey's recent monitoring also turned up a record for Holocaust survivor and Nobel Laureate Elie Wiesel and several of his relatives.
"None of the three names were submitted for baptism and they would not have been under the church's guidelines and procedures," Purdy said. "The names were simply entered into a genealogical database. Submission for proxy baptism is a separate process."
New Jersey-based Jewish genealogy experts Gary Mokotoff said publicity about the Wiesenthal baptism will help solve the problem, which he believes is likely limited to a small number of overzealous church members who believe they are providing a service to their church.
"If the word gets out that there are consequences, they'll stop," said Mokotoff, who has also participated in talks with Mormon leaders. "But no one has a right to involve other person's families in their religion. That's basically what's wrong about the whole concept."
I think the next to last sentence has it to a 'T'.
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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What is more difficult?
A. Ensuring no weapons make their way onto airplanes
B. Ensuring no holocaust victims make their way to the temple veil
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A. Ensuring no weapons make their way onto airplanes
B. Ensuring no holocaust victims make their way to the temple veil
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Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
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Re: Mormonism The Religion Rejected by Dead People (link)
The church immediately apologized, saying it was the actions of an individual member of church — whom they did not name — that led to the submission of Wiesenthal's name.
"We sincerely regret that the actions of an individual member of the church led to the inappropriate submission of these names," Michael Purdy, a spokesman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said in a statement issued Monday. "We consider this a serious breach of our protocol and we have suspended indefinitely this person's ability to access our genealogy records."
I wonder why this individual member submitted the name? They probably have some crazy idea about baptisms for the dead being important. Probably learned it from one of those rogue wards. If only the members would go by official church doctrine they wouldn't have these problems. Somewhere in the official doctrine it is stated that temple work must be done for everyone who has ever lived, except the jews.
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Maybe Thomas Monson could declare the Atonement powerful enough to save the Jews baptism-free.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
The Holy Sacrament.
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zeezrom wrote:Maybe Thomas Monson could declare the Atonement powerful enough to save the Jews baptism-free.
Oh, all this only because the Mormon church doesn't like the bad PR. The goal of the church is to baptize everyone whether the Jews like it or not. That's been the past plan but we see it has been thwarted by the Jews. The prophets must be rolling in their graves.
Now, how about the Mormon church perform a baptism for the dead for the little black slave depicted in Facsimile No. 3. Joseph Smith gave his name and he deserves to have the Mormon gospel too even though he is only a mighty god of Egypt.
What has the church to say about that? Mormons are such fools. They cannot even defend their silly faith in these matters.
Paul O
THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM FACSIMILE NO. 3
Includes a startling new discovery!
Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part I, II, III
IN THE FORM OF A DOVE
Includes a startling new discovery!
Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part I, II, III
IN THE FORM OF A DOVE
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You know how ugly people make sex unappealing.
That's the case here. All those whiny people cast their sick shadows and colour an idea.
They are ugly whiny oversensitive and overentitled. Suck it up nancy boys. I'll baptize all your relatives just to hear you whine.
That's the case here. All those whiny people cast their sick shadows and colour an idea.
They are ugly whiny oversensitive and overentitled. Suck it up nancy boys. I'll baptize all your relatives just to hear you whine.
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_The Mighty Builder
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Shulem wrote:zeezrom wrote:Maybe Thomas Monson could declare the Atonement powerful enough to save the Jews baptism-free.
Oh, all this only because the Mormon church doesn't like the bad PR. The goal of the church is to baptize everyone whether the Jews like it or not. That's been the past plan but we see it has been thwarted by the Jews. The prophets must be rolling in their graves.
Now, how about the Mormon church perform a baptism for the dead for the little black slave depicted in Facsimile No. 3. Joseph Smith gave his name and he deserves to have the Mormon gospel too even though he is only a mighty god of Egypt.
What has the church to say about that? Mormons are such fools. They cannot even defend their silly faith in these matters.
Paul O
I hate to disagree, but if you remember Elder Jensen stated that the Mormon Church has suspended baptizing Curse of Cain individuals in Africa and Dark and Loathsome in Latin America.
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The Mighty Builder wrote:I hate to disagree, but if you remember Elder Jensen stated that the Mormon Church has suspended baptizing Curse of Cain individuals in Africa and Dark and Loathsome in Latin America.
They could have baptized Olimlah the slave in 1978 when the church finally decided that blacks are just as good as whites. The church dropped the ball. Now the poor god of Egypt will never get the blessing of the Mormon gospel.
Paul O
THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM FACSIMILE NO. 3
Includes a startling new discovery!
Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part I, II, III
IN THE FORM OF A DOVE
Includes a startling new discovery!
Here Comes The Book of Abraham Part I, II, III
IN THE FORM OF A DOVE
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Re: Mormonism The Religion Rejected by Dead People (link)
I wonder how the people at the Wiesenthal Center would feel after reading the 2 recent threads (or any of the past ones) on this over at the MAD board. They've always shown a lot Quakers attitude there.