Just read the 100-page hit piece on Dehlin . . .

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Just read the 100-page hit piece on Dehlin . . .

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. . . or at least a reasonable facsimile thereof.

In reading Greg Smith's criticisms of the "Mormons for Marriage" website (in the 2011 FARMS Review), it struck me I was seeing exactly what Smith's criticisms of Dehlin must be like.

In short, Smith sees himself as the anointed defender of the LDS Church, and of President Packer specifically in this article.

"Mormons for Marriage" commented on Packer's 2010 October GC talk regarding homosexuality.

What is the thrust of Smith's criticism?

1. Smith says that the website has rules about being respectful to General Authorities.

2. Smith notes that all posts on the website are moderated through the owner of the website.

3. Smith then lists a number of comments by posters he thinks are not respectful.


Smith goes on like this for pages, coming up with many unremarkable instances of comments made by people other than the owners of the website, and then trying to show by allegedly witty analysis that these comments are not respectful, and that the owner of the website is therefore a liar and all-around bad person; that she is complcit in anything and everything that is posted there.


Smith's piece is not just dreck. It is bad dreck.

And I fully expect his 100-page "hit piece" on John Dehlin is comprised of exactly the same sort of supercillious and vacuous analysis.

The reason it is reputedly 100-pages has nothing to do with how damning it is, but only because John Dehlin has had so many guests on his podcasts and posting their comments on his blog--all of which is seen as fertile ground for Greg Smith to find fault with what is said or written by others than Dehlin, and then to blame Dehlin for what others have said under his auspices.

There are other things that Smith will say about Dehlin himself in his paper, but I give it as my prediction that approximately 50% of his paper will deal with this sort of criticism.

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Re: Just read the 100-page hit piece on Dehlin . . .

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I must not understand things completely, but it just seems so ironic how DCP's gang is going nuts over this issue about how with the take down of FARMS that we will not see scholarly research on the Book of Mormon and ancient scripture, etc. When what they've actually emphasized is reviews written by a medical doctor in Canada on obscure quasi-anti-Mormon websites. Where's the disconnect?
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Re: Just read the 100-page hit piece on Dehlin . . .

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AND the reason for only one issue of the FARMS review in 2011 and none so far in 2012 is largely because the 100-page piece on Dehlin by this same author got sidelined by the new manager who hadn't read it.

I can't imagine reading 100-pages of the same kind of drivel as Greg Smith leveled against Mormons for Marriage.

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Re: Just read the 100-page hit piece on Dehlin . . .

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Gerald Bradford read the article in its entirety before pulling it.

The General Authority who gave the cancellation order read portions of it beforehand.

Anyone who says otherwise is either lying or misinformed.
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Re: Just read the 100-page hit piece on Dehlin . . .

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Ooh, inside information! What else do you have for us, MsJack?
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Nice tease of a thread title. It got my attention.
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Re: Just read the 100-page hit piece on Dehlin . . .

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In other words "John Dehlin needs more moderators on his website. Here are a thousand examples to support my claim".
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07

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In other words, you haven't read Smith's essay, and your lobbing Molotov cocktails at him sight unseen.

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Re: Just read the 100-page hit piece on Dehlin . . .

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Droopy wrote:In other words, you haven't read Smith's essay, and your lobbing Molotov cocktails at him sight unseen.


Similar to your criticisms of academia that are sight unseen.
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07

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Re: Just read the 100-page hit piece on Dehlin . . .

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MsJack wrote:Gerald Bradford read the article in its entirety before pulling it.

The General Authority who gave the cancellation order read portions of it beforehand.

Anyone who says otherwise is either lying or misinformed.


Wow! I knew it.
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