The End of Welfare Reform As We Know It

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The End of Welfare Reform As We Know It

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http://blog.heritage.org/2012/07/18/mor ... e-know-it/


The Obama Administration made yet another end run around Congress last week—this time, to gut the successful welfare reform law of 1996. If this is allowed to stand, it will mean rewinding years of progress that lifted millions out of poverty.

Before the 1996 reform, welfare was a one-way handout: Government mailed checks to recipients who did nothing in return. The new program the reform law established, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), changed all that. It required able-bodied welfare recipients to work, prepare for work, or at least look for work as a condition of receiving aid. Welfare reform turned “welfare” into “workfare.”

At the time, liberals denounced the new law and predicted dire consequences for America’s needy. They said the reform would do “serious injury to American children” and “substantially increase poverty and destitution.”

There was “absolutely no evidence that this radical idea has even the slightest chance of success,” they said, crying that “No piece of legislation in U.S. history has increased the severity of poverty so sharply.”

In reality, the exact opposite turned out to be true.

After reform, the welfare caseload promptly dropped by 50 percent. As the caseload plummeted, employment and earnings among recipients experienced an unprecedented surge upward. As Heritage’s Robert Rector reported:

As welfare dependence fell and employment increased, child poverty among the affected groups fell dramatically. For a quarter-century before the reform, poverty among black children and single mothers had remained frozen at high levels. Immediately after the reform, poverty for both groups experienced dramatic and unprecedented drops, quickly reaching all-time lows.

Still, the left fought the work requirements. But after legislative attempts to do away with them failed over the years, the Obama Administration decided to rescind the reforms without Congressional approval. This Administration has had no problem acting in an imperial way, rewriting law on its own, whether its new dictates are legal or not. In fact, Heritage legal scholars have determined this latest move is indeed illegal.

What did they hate so much? The reform simply reflected Americans’ willingness to help their neighbors in need, on the condition that welfare recipients do what they can to help themselves as well.

Under the law, some 40 percent of adult TANF recipients in a state were required to engage in “work activities,” defined as unsubsidized employment, subsidized employment, on-the-job training, attending high school or a GED program, vocational education, community service work, job search, or job readiness training. Participation was part-time, 20 hours per week for mothers with children under six and 30 hours for mothers with older children.

In the past, state welfare bureaucrats have attempted to define “personal care activities,” “massage,” “motivational reading,” “journaling,” attending Weight Watchers, and “helping a friend or relative with household tasks” as work activities. Expect far more of this in the future as no-strings-attached handouts again displace workfare.

Instead of helping people get back on their feet—from job training to obtaining employment—welfare will now go back to locking them in a cycle of dependence on the government.

President Obama has made no secret about his plans to expand the welfare state permanently. He has increased spending on federal means-tested welfare (“means-tested” benefits are doled out according to the recipients’ income levels) by a third since taking office. And he plans to increase this even further after the current recession ends, calling for a permanent increase in annual means-tested spending from 4.5 percent to 6 percent of gross domestic product. Overall, President Obama plans to spend $12.7 trillion on means-tested welfare over the next decade.

The welfare-to-work provisions of the TANF law were a real bipartisan success story—which is rare in a federal government with more than 80 means-tested welfare programs that provide cash, food, housing, medical care, and social services to poor and low-income people.

At the beginning of last week, only two of these programs had active work requirements. With Obama’s latest order, the list is now down to one.


Obama's planned 12.7 trillion new spending on means-tested welfare over the next ten years, comes on top of the present 15 trillion and rising national debt. That, alone, without Obamacare and other planned spending, means, at minimum, by 2022, a federal debt of nearly 28 trillion, and the middle of the next decade is precisely when Social Security runs out of funds and can no longer pay present recipients. The unfunded liabilities of Medicare is in the tens or trillions.


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Now all we need are more immigrants to come and take advantage of it. It's reasons like this that America deserves to be a bankrupt country. They won't be able to take enough money from every rich man in the country to pay for this. Then when the country has no more rich people to leach off, it will result in a scene much worse than what's going on in Greece right now. Total chaos with a poor class so large that no amount of taxation will contain them.
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Droopy wrote:Obama's planned 12.7 trillion new spending on means-tested welfare over the next ten years, comes on top of the present 15 trillion and rising national debt.


Sound a bit like the doom, gloom and inaccurate projections that occur every time there has ever been a national minimum wage increase.

That, alone, without Obamacare and other planned spending, means, at minimum, by 2022, a federal debt of nearly 28 trillion, and the middle of the next decade is precisely when Social Security runs out of funds and can no longer pay present recipients. The unfunded liabilities of Medicare is in the tens or trillions.


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Janell Ross wrote:Fifteen years after President Clinton joined with congressional Republicans and affixed his signature to a law that “ended welfare as we know it” -- imposing a five-year time limit on federal cash assistance for poor families, while allowing states to set shorter limits -- the social safety net is failing to keep pace with the needs of struggling Americans, many experts say. Millions of single mothers are falling through the cracks, scrambling to support their families with neither paychecks nor government aid.

Welfare reform, one of the hallmark events of the Clinton presidency, was supposed to be a healthy tradeoff: Single mothers who had grown dependent on government checks would instead go out and work. The federal government gave the states lump sums of money, known as block grants, to create programs that would prepare, prompt and push poor single mothers accustomed to living on welfare into the workforce, providing job training, resume-writing tutorials and subsidized child care.

But the time limits on cash aid were enacted in the mid-1990s, in the midst of one of the most vibrant job markets in modern times. Today, with nearly 14 million people officially out of work and jobseekers outnumbering available positions by more than four-to-one, the logic of those reforms is being overwhelmed by the reality of a stark shortage of paychecks, experts say.
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MeDotOrg wrote:
Janell Ross wrote:Fifteen years after President Clinton joined with congressional Republicans and affixed his signature to a law that “ended welfare as we know it” -- imposing a five-year time limit on federal cash assistance for poor families, while allowing states to set shorter limits -- the social safety net is failing to keep pace with the needs of struggling Americans, many experts say. Millions of single mothers are falling through the cracks, scrambling to support their families with neither paychecks nor government aid.

Welfare reform, one of the hallmark events of the Clinton presidency, was supposed to be a healthy tradeoff: Single mothers who had grown dependent on government checks would instead go out and work. The federal government gave the states lump sums of money, known as block grants, to create programs that would prepare, prompt and push poor single mothers accustomed to living on welfare into the workforce, providing job training, resume-writing tutorials and subsidized child care.

But the time limits on cash aid were enacted in the mid-1990s, in the midst of one of the most vibrant job markets in modern times. Today, with nearly 14 million people officially out of work and jobseekers outnumbering available positions by more than four-to-one, the logic of those reforms is being overwhelmed by the reality of a stark shortage of paychecks, experts say.



This is a wildly brazen body of flagrant lies that nobody with the slightest intelligence or knowledge of recent economic history could possibly take seriously. Welfare reform was a unambiguous success, cutting welfare roles in half and bring large numbers of otherwise dependent people into the workforce. The empirics of all this are well known and long settled.

This author belies her own biases and the utterly concocted nature of this piece in several places, among them:

the social safety net is failing to keep pace with the needs of struggling Americans, many experts say


Typical leftist media smoke and mirrors. She has not a speck of empirical evidence and she knows it, so she concocts "experts" who "say" such and such.

Millions of single mothers are falling through the cracks, scrambling to support their families with neither paychecks nor government aid


45 million people are now on food stamps, and welfare reform is now ended. The work requirements and limits on aid were intended to provide incentives for people to look for gainful employment and stay employed, rather than settle into a pattern of long term and intergenerational welfare dependency. The gigantic economic, moral and cultural fraud that has been the Great Society has already done far too much - and probably irreversible damage - to far oo many lives and to the fundamental elements of civil society to ever substantially undo, but the attempt was laudable. Welfare dependency, in less than four years, is now at all time highs, and by design.

Single mothers who had grown dependent on government checks would instead go out and work.


This is exactly what in fact occurred, to a great extent.

But the time limits on cash aid were enacted in the mid-1990s, in the midst of one of the most vibrant job markets in modern times


In which case, by her own argument, they should have been a general success - which we know in fact they were.

. Today, with nearly 14 million people officially out of work and jobseekers outnumbering available positions by more than four-to-one, the logic of those reforms is being overwhelmed by the reality of a stark shortage of paychecks, experts say


The present economic crisis has nothing to do with any of this. Bill Clinton has been out of office for well over a decade, and George Bush, who bears some responsibility, for almost four years. The present economic crisis was assisted in its birth by George Bush and a wild spending Republican led Congress, almost thirty years of "affordable housing' legislation and bureaucratic regulation of housing markets across a number of federal agencies, including the Dept. of Justice, an entire nation and government existing on a vast invisible mountain of debt, and by Barack Obama and the gigantic community organizing rally that is his administration.

The present recession, if not depression, is, after all due is given to the Bush administration and Congress, overwhelmingly the effect of the policies of the present administration, policies designed to create exactly the conditions they have so far created, and designed as well to make it as difficult as possible for any future administration to ever return the nation to fiscal sanity or encourage a society in which far more people are dependent upon themselves for their sustenance and prosperity than government.

Barack is the great destroryer; the great Cloward/Piven/Alinsky wrecker of the "system" to make way for the soft totalitarian day care center state they have drooled in anticipation of for generations, and which generations of a continual and relentless drumbeat of class envy, class hatred, multiculturalist ethnic and racial balkanization, the relentless assault on achievement, excellence, prosperity, and individual responsibility; the sexual revolution, feminism, the unrelenting animus against free market economics and economic liberty; the Kulturkampf against family, marriage, children, boys and men; all of the traditional aspects of the dismantling, delegitimizing, impugning, and revoking of the American experience and the classical liberal ideals and philosophy upon which it was based has brought to fruition.

The Democratic party is a post-American party, and the president, a post-American president.

We are witness to the end of the shining light on the hill; the snuffing out of the torch of liberty. We are also witnessing, and have been witnessing for the last 30 to 40 years, the preparation of a critical mass of citizens for the kind of society that will rise from the wreckage of the old.

The Eloi are already among us. These Eloi, however, can behave like beasts to preserve the lives they live at the expense of their fellow citizens, and the booty plundered from their neighbors the governments they vote for and support deliver to them to keep them docile and obedient.
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Droopy wrote:The present recession, if not depression, is, after all due is given to the Bush administration and Congress, overwhelmingly the effect of the policies of the present administration, policies designed to create exactly the conditions they have so far created, and designed as well to make it as difficult as possible for any future administration to ever return the nation to fiscal sanity or encourage a society in which far more people are dependent upon themselves for their sustenance and prosperity than government.

Okay, I'll bite. Please name these policies, as well as the dates the bills were passed and implemented.

Mainly, what I remember is a lot of ideas that were blocked by Republican filibusters. This president has not been able to implement much of anything because of unprecedented obstruction (other than not nearly enough stimulus spending and a health insurance reform law that is only partially implemented).


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Droopy won't know how to respond to those requests until mises.org or heritage.com write something to answer those questions. This guy is incapable of independent thought. Virtually everything he says is verbatim from one of his favorite blogs.
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Okay, I'll bite. Please name these policies, as well as the dates the bills were passed and implemented.


Since you're not being serious, and apparently have no intention of doing so, I'm not going to waste my time researching what is common knowledge to most 3rd graders for an intellectual poseur and comic shill for the cult of state power you worship. Its simply not worth my time.


Mainly, what I remember is a lot of ideas that were blocked by Republican filibusters. This president has not been able to implement much of anything because of unprecedented obstruction


You could tell a fantastic whopping lie like this through the looking glass, where they don't care or know the difference and you can say any number of impossible things before breakfast.

In the real world, however, if you make yourself look like a fool, its a good be that its a fair representation of the real state of affairs.

(And while you're at it, I'm still waiting for the IRS instructions that require new employees to be paid with after-tax profits.)


New hiring and expansion of business must come from net profit, after all business overhead including taxes, are met. The higher taxes rise, the less net profit there is to raise wages, create new jobs, expand existing plant, or embark on new ventures. The higher taxes rise, the less savings, the less investment, and the less entrepreneurial risk there will be. What IRS regulations have to do with it, I have no idea.

Profit, last time I checked, was what one had let over after after payroll, taxes, restocking, maintenance, utilities, and any and all ongoing expenses. If you want to hire some new people, or raise wages, you profits have to justify such a coarse. If you want to expand your business, your business has to be expanding - it has to be growing, which means growing in after tax profitability. If it costs x to hire or expand, and you do not have x, or there are other pressing concerns that may require x, then you will not expand. Higher taxes (of all kinds, including inflation) consume what otherwise would be profit, and it is only out of profit that economic growth occurs.

What if your marginal tax rate is 99%, Krose?

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Since you're not being serious, and apparently have no intention of doing so, I'm not going to waste my time researching what is common knowledge to most 3rd graders for an intellectual poseur and comic shill for the cult of state power you worship. Its simply not worth my time.


ROFL!

Of course, we already knew Droopy has no evidence for any of the crap he spouts.

I've never been able to get any of these Obama haters to name specific legislation which he is responsible for, and which has also caused our current economic plight. They refuse to do the necessary research because of what they're afraid they'll find.

As far as worth his time, that's just hilarious. Droopy spends more time here ranting than anyone, especially when it is clear no one is paying attention to him. Now that he finally has someone willing to hear him out, by asking specific questions, suddenly Droopy loses his voice and has no time. That's because he only responds with scripts provided to him by his favorite think tanks. Until they speak on a specific matter, Droopy has no opinion of his own other than "you're too stupid to understand anyway, so I won't waste my time."

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We're not in a recession and haven't been for some time, but the current pace of recovery is primarily a function of the ripple effects of tightening of credit that occurred because of the collapse of financial institutions. Economic downturns caused by this tend to show a pattern of long, slow recovery. This was a mainstream prediction in 2008. It is true that we reasonably might have gotten a quicker, more robust recovery* if "too big to fail" banks were allowed to fail and we ate a hard, deep depression in the process, but that was avoided with TARP. Obama supported TARP, but it didn't occur under his presidential administration.

*We also would've avoided the moral hazard of the bailout and would have been more secure against a similar event happening.
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