Isabel was most likely a boy

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Isabel was most likely a boy

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I would like to propose a theory that the "harlot Isabel" spoken of in Alma 39:1-4 of the Book of Mormon was not a woman but rather a boy dressed as a woman. Moreover, I would like to suggest that Corianton was a closet homosexual.

A paper written by "Professor Williams" in 2009, states:

Written records of homosexual behavior, transvestism, and transgender behavior in Mesoamerica surface during the Spanish Conquest. Stephen notes that �Bernal D�az del Castillo, in an exploration of the coast of Yucat�n in 1517, discovered clay figures in which �the Indians seemed to be engaged in sodomy, one with the other�� (Stephen 49; Sigal 105). This indicates that homosexual behavior was widespread and acceptable enough in indigenous cultures for people to make art that depicted this behavior. Moreover, Requena found that �Bernal D�az recorded that men dressed as women in order to prostitute themselves, and notes that Cortes addressed the people of Veracruz admonishing them to renounce the �custom of male youths appearing in women�s� dress�� and to �give your sodomy and all of your other evil practices�� (Requena). The vilification of sodomy and cross-dressing became the object of major campaigns by Catholic priests in Mesoamerica. Once again, this points to the widespread nature of these practices among the indigenous peoples in Mesoamerica at this time.


http://www.transgender.org/atsww/Transg ... gender.htm

Why was Corianton's father so very concerned about his actions with this mysterious Isabel? Could it be that Corianton's father was more disturbed by his son's homosexual experimentation than the fact that sex occurred with a harlot?
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Interesting theory. But first, I would have to assume that Corianton was a real person and the stories of the Book of Mormon really happened in Meso America, and I can't move past that point.
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Racer wrote:... I would have to assume that Corianton was a real person...

I don't really see that as a requirement.

Do I need to believe Bilbo Baggins is real when proposing theories about hobbits that aren't explicitly defined in the text?
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Gospel of Thomas Saying 114

Simon Peter said to them, "Mary should leave us, for females are not worthy of life." Jesus said, "See, I am going to attract her to make her male so that she too might become a living spirit that resembles you males. For every female (element) that makes itself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."
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madeleine wrote:Gospel of Thomas Saying 114

Simon Peter said to them, "Mary should leave us, for females are not worthy of life." Jesus said, "See, I am going to attract her to make her male so that she too might become a living spirit that resembles you males. For every female (element) that makes itself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."

Madeleine,

Your quotes never cease to amaze me.

And what might Jesus think of the man (element) that makes itself woman? What might he enter?
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quark wrote:
madeleine wrote:Gospel of Thomas Saying 114

Simon Peter said to them, "Mary should leave us, for females are not worthy of life." Jesus said, "See, I am going to attract her to make her male so that she too might become a living spirit that resembles you males. For every female (element) that makes itself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."

Madeleine,

Your quotes never cease to amaze me.

And what might Jesus think of the man (element) that makes itself woman? What might he enter?


Dunno, the Gnostics made it up. Just reminded me of it by the assertion that a male in Mormon scripture is actually female.

Also, Gnostics were strictly cellibate. A woman "became a man" by fasting,to the point her menstrual cycle ceased.
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quark wrote:
Racer wrote:... I would have to assume that Corianton was a real person...

I don't really see that as a requirement.

Do I need to believe Bilbo Baggins is real when proposing theories about hobbits that aren't explicitly defined in the text?


You are right. I stand corrected. In fact, I always thought C-3PO was a homosexual even though it was never implicitly implied, and he was a robot without sex organs, and he is not real.
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madeleine wrote:Dunno, the Gnostics made it up. Just reminded me of it by the assertion that a male in Mormon scripture is actually female.

Also, Gnostics were strictly cellibate. A woman "became a man" by fasting,to the point her menstrual cycle ceased.

Aw, I was hoping you had more quotes!
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Racer wrote:You are right. I stand corrected. In fact, I always thought C-3PO was a homosexual even though it was never implicitly implied, and he was a robot without sex organs, and he is not real.

Aw c'mon, where is your sense of adventure?
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Re: Isabel was most likely a boy

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Racer wrote: In fact, I always thought C-3PO was a homosexual even though it was never implicitly implied, and he was a robot without sex organs, and he is not real.

Is not he real? Didn't You ever met him/her/it in the shop?

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