Biden Lies Again: "I voted against the wars"

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Vice President Joe Biden accused Rep. Paul Ryan of putting two wars on the “credit card,” and then suggested he voted against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

“By the way, they talk about this great recession like it fell out of the sky–like, ‘Oh my goodness, where did it come from?’” Biden said. “It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, at the same time, put a prescription drug plan on the credit card, a trillion dollar tax cut for the very wealthy.”

“I was there, I voted against them,” Biden continued. “I said, no, we can’t afford that.”

Then Sen. Biden voted for the Afghanistan resolution on Sept. 14, 2001 which authorized “the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.”

And on Oct. 11, 2002, Biden voted for a resolution authorizing unilateral military action in Iraq, according to the Washington Post.

http://freebeacon.com/biden-claims-he-voted-against-afghanistan-iraq-wars/

[_Tarski]

Vice President Joe Biden accused Rep. Paul Ryan of putting two wars on the “credit card,” and then suggested he voted against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

“By the way, they talk about this great recession like it fell out of the sky–like, ‘Oh my goodness, where did it come from?’” Biden said. “It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, at the same time, put a prescription drug plan on the credit card, a trillion dollar tax cut for the very wealthy.”

“I was there, I voted against them,” Biden continued. “I said, no, we can’t afford that.”

Then Sen. Biden voted for the Afghanistan resolution on Sept. 14, 2001 which authorized “the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.”

And on Oct. 11, 2002, Biden voted for a resolution authorizing unilateral military action in Iraq, according to the Washington Post.

http://freebeacon.com/biden-claims-he-voted-against-afghanistan-iraq-wars/

The same fact checkers listed Ryan's lies too. You don't care about these or mention them because you are biased hack,

Claim: Ryan said "Obamacare" pays for abortions

The facts: The 2010 health care law does not use taxpayer funds for abortions except in the instances of rape, incest or danger to the mother's life — the same restrictions implemented by the Hyde Amendment on other federal health care programs. In March 2010, Obama signed an executive order to maintain "current Hyde Amendment restrictions governing abortion policy and extends those restrictions to the newly created health insurance exchanges."

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i do not think anyone on either side is surprised that either candidate lies, exaggerates, or obfuscates the truth....i am not even sure it is surprising that on many subjects the candidate might not even be aware of the truth.
I think the fact-checking trend that occurs is all a distraction. No one actually keeps score and no one really cares. Politicians being liars is such a tradition it is actually cliché...it has long passed being cynically accepted to just being rather expected.

No one revises their opinion or decision regarding a debate or campaign speech because they later find out that someone was misleading or deceitful....this is seen even now, with immediate post debate fact checking we all see that everyone was guilty and so it rather cancels itself out and relies on something way more important...something that every successful politician has always had and always will have.

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The same fact checkers listed Ryan's lies too. You don't care about these or mention them because you are biased hack,

I'd say there's a BIG difference between say Ryan claiming it was two weeks when it was actually nine days and Biden outright lying about easily remembered votes (which don't have any details, they're just up or down) on whether or not to go to war or to fund a war. They're just aren't any good possible excuses for Biden on this one except those that might disqualify him from office in the minds of voters.

[_Tarski]

The same fact checkers listed Ryan's lies too. You don't care about these or mention them because you are biased hack,

I'd say there's a BIG difference between say Ryan claiming it was two weeks when it was actually nine days and Biden outright lying about easily remembered votes (which don't have any details, they're just up or down) on whether or not to go to war or to fund a war.

nine days wasn't my example now was it.

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nine days wasn't my example now was it.,

No, but your example was too flawed to be of any worth so I provided you with an actual example. To claim that Obamacare funds abortions is false because it actually does fund abortions is not rational.

[_Tarski]

nine days wasn't my example now was it.,

No, but your example was too flawed to be of any worth so I provided you with an actual example. To claim that Obamacare funds abortions is false because it actually does fund abortions is not rational.

It helps fund things like saving the life of the mother and you know it.

Scenario: Profoundly poor woman is in the emergency room with a pregnancy gone bad and the mother's life is seriously in danger.
An emergency abortion is absolutely necessary.
Now imagine, she is told that neither the government, nor any church charity will help and she is handed a bill for $50,000. Or worse yet, the procedure is not even done because she cannot pay. She dies in pain and so does the fetus.

What a monster Obama is for suggesting that healthcare address this kind of thing. (not)

No president would get away with much less than Obama is doing in this regard. The woman will be treated and if she is in poverty she will not need to pay. That's the way it will be.

By the way, fetuses are not people--especially 3 month old fetuses. You heard me. An ordinary first trimester abortion is fine with me.
No little ghost goes into the womb upon conception That is superstition (and brain waves do not equal selfhood either). You are free to believe such things but they should not be the basis of a law that affects the rest of us.

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The same fact checkers listed Ryan's lies too. You don't care about these or mention them because you are biased hack,

Unfortunately for this desperate gambit, the fact checkers are virtually all left-wing partisans of the Messiah and his party, and themselves require a substantial degree of fact checking, as I already showed in another thread (and which a large number of people are already aware). The "fact check" label is, indeed, a clever Kabuki doll.

Claim: Ryan said "Obamacare" pays for abortions

The facts: The 2010 health care law does not use taxpayer funds for abortions except in the instances of rape, incest or danger to the mother's life — the same restrictions implemented by the Hyde Amendment on other federal health care programs. In March 2010, Obama signed an executive order to maintain "current Hyde Amendment restrictions governing abortion policy and extends those restrictions to the newly created health insurance exchanges."

Droopy's fact check:

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/06/17/the ... -abortion/

https://litigation-essentials.lexisnexi ... 3ade8c47cd

From the Notre Dame law journal study:

The final Senate bill, H.R. 3590, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, passed on December 24, 2009. The bill, which is now the law, violates the principles of the Hyde Amendment by allowing federal subsidies to be applied to insurance plans that cover abortion. Other provisions of the bill could be used to mandate abortion coverage by exchange plans and even require all insurance providers to cover abortion. Additionally, the Senate bill provides that if the Hyde Amendment ever fails to be renewed, federal funds may pay directly for abortion under health care reform.

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/ ... yments.pdf

http://www.citizenlink.com/2012/03/21/d ... obamacare/

Conclusion: The fact checkers are partisan hacks who haven't done their homework and who are not going to do so because that would reveal their entire argument to be a fabrication for the Cause.

And on we go into the election. Marx and Goebbles would be beaming with pride at this bunch.

[_Droopy]

It helps fund things like saving the life of the mother and you know it.

Irrrelevant. That's never been the issue. Go to the Allen Guttmacher Institute and do some homework. 93% of all abortions performed in this country since Roe have been elective abortion, not life-of-the-mother or due to rape or incest.

Why women have abortions

1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).

http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html

Don't worry, Tarski, the anti-natalist progressives use of abortion as birth control has already done much of its damage, both to the moral core of western society and to our economic future.

You've already won.

Scenario: Profoundly poor woman is in the emergency room with a pregnancy gone bad and the mother's life is seriously in danger.

An emergency abortion is absolutely necessary.
Now imagine, she is told that neither the government, nor any church charity will help and she is handed a bill for $50,000. Or worse yet, the procedure is not even done because she cannot pay. She dies in pain and so does the fetus.

This is pure clap-trap. Prop up your strawmen, Tarski, and I guess we'll have to knock them down until you decide to have a serious discussion.

What a monster Obama is for suggesting that healthcare address this kind of thing. (not)

That's never been the issue.

By the way, fetuses are not people--especially 3 month old fetuses.

Why is that relevant?

No little ghost goes into the womb upon conception That is superstition (and brain waves do not equal selfhood either). You are free to believe such things but they should not be the basis of a law that affects the rest of us.

The claim that there is no eternal spirit being existing within the human body is metaphysical scientism. That is a philosophical claim, not a scientific one, and you are free to believe such things but that should not be the basis of a law that affects the rest of us.

Its people such as you, Tarski, who made the 20th century the blood-mad, death and nihilism drenched century that it was, and doubtless, you and those like you are not as yet finished in your various anointed ministrations.

[_Tarski]

Why is that relevant?

Because, all else being equal, the rights (even the conveniences of) a person take precidence over the non-sentient. I take that as rather obvious.

The claim that there is no eternal spirit being existing within the human body is metaphysical scientism. That is a philosophical claim, not a scientific one, and you are free to believe such things but that should not be the basis of a law that affects the rest of us.

Even if I allow, for the sake of argument, the absurdity that ghosts are no more metaphysical than frank skepticism regarding ghosts, then that would just put the claims on equal footing and it is still the case that the law should not repsect one superstition over another.

You are free to act according to your superstitions. Can you grant me the same?

Its people such as you, Tarski, who made the 20th century the blood-mad, death and nihilism drenched century that it was, and doubtless, you and those like you are not as yet finished in your various anointed ministration

On the average, I'll take the morality, science, ethics and quality of life of the last 50 years over the previous 200, 100, or 2000 years any day.
You may pine for the good old days that never were and align yourself with Torquemada and his watered down modern reincarnations in the likes of Santorum if you wish.
But we are not going to just let you prematurely geriatric Archie Bunker types bully us without a fight.

Oh, by the way, here is a just a little tidbit to make you salivate and bare your witch-hunting fangs; The first doctor to prescribe the morning after pill to someone near to me was and is a Stake president. Maybe some little bean shaped transparent ghost-let had to do a U-turn and get back in line to be born into better circumstances. How shocking.

Now hurry to get back to your wingnut blogosphere and read some think tank studies. You must continually have the correct opinions re-inculcated. After all, someone paid good money for you to have those opinions.