Pahoran: Make your case for libel against DCP or shut up

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Pahoran: Make your case for libel against DCP or shut up

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Dear Pahoran:

I have never ceased to be impressed by your legal acumen, such as the thread in which you ludicrously---and mistakenly---asserted that churches cannot be taxed in a free country because churches are outside the purview of civil law.

Pahoran wrote: Churches in particular are not taxed primarily because, in any ostensibly free country, they are not subject to the authority of the state. Anyone who claims to believe in "separation of church and state" but who advocates the taxing of churches is a liar.

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Please let me know if you would like to discuss the hopeless ignorance of law that you demonstrated in the above statement. In the meantime, you have repeatedly asserted that Doctor Scratch has defamed Daniel Peterson, and that this supposed defamation is actionable. E.g., right here. You have stated that anyone on this board claiming to be a lawyer, like Sock Puppet (whom you specifically mentioned) should know not only that Peterson had been defamed by Scratch, but that it would be easy to prove this claim.

To quote something Chap said in a recent thread: hic Rhodos, hic salta. Make your case in support of your ongoing assertion that Scratch has libeled Peterson. Show the world how the cowardly anonymous posters here pretending to be lawyers don't know what they're talking about, while you do.

To keep it simple, we'll go with the definition of libel found in Section 558 of the Second Restatement of Torts. The elements of libel are:

(a) a false and defamatory statement concerning another;
(b) an unprivileged publication to a third party;
(c) fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and
(d) either actionability of the statement irrespective of special harm or the
existence of special harm caused by the publication.


We'll also use section 559 of the Second Restatement for a defintion of "defamatory communication:"

A communication is defamatory if it tends so to harm the reputation of another as to lower him in the estimation of the community or to deter third persons from associating or dealing with him.

Keep in mind that Peterson has already publicly conceded, on his now removed blog post, that he has probably not been harmed by anything Scratch has said.

Oh, and by the way, we can also defer to Utah law on defamation if you want, since Peterson is a resident of Utah.

So go ahead, Pahoran. You've told everyone how easy of a case this is. Here's an excellent opportunity for you to stun Peterson's detractors on this board into silence. On the other hand, you also risk making a complete fool of yourself. But given your confidence in your position and understanding of the law, I'm sure you have nothing to worry about. Oh, and by the way, we can also defer to Utah law on defamation if you want, since Peterson is a resident of Utah.

Put up or shut up, Pahoran.
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Darth J wrote:Put up or shut up, Pahoran.


I'm going to guess he'll do neither, sadly.
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It is usually the case in boards such as this that proving the obvious is an exercise in futility and self-flagellation.
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MrStakhanovite wrote:
Darth J wrote:Put up or shut up, Pahoran.


I'm going to guess he'll do neither, sadly.


Why, MrStakhanovite!

Surely you're not suggesting that Pahoran is a cowardly, uninformed gadfly who insists that questioning his cherished beliefs is equivalent to anti-Semitism?
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Yahoo Bot wrote:It is usually the case in boards such as this that proving the obvious is an exercise in futility and self-flagellation.


Since it is so obvious, Yahoo Bot, you may of course address the OP at your convenience.
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Bump for Pahoran....


Can't wait to discuss with Pahoran (or even Yahoo Bot) the legal merits of DCP proceeding against Dr. Scratch in Utah.

Gentlemen??
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Darth J wrote:Why, MrStakhanovite!

Surely you're not suggesting that Pahoran is a cowardly, uninformed gadfly who insists that questioning his cherished beliefs is equivalent to anti-Semitism?


Not so much suggesting it but instead pointing at him and saying, "See this guy right here? Him? He is a cowardly, uninformed gadfly who insists that questioning his cherished beliefs is equivalent to anti-Semitism."

Case in point, he'll do exactly what Bot did here:

Yahoo Bot wrote:It is usually the case in boards such as this that proving the obvious is an exercise in futility and self-flagellation.


Which is why I keep this image handy:

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I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
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That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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MrStakhanovite wrote:Which is why I keep this image handy:

I swear once again that I am not a gay basher. I bash indiscriminately.
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I must say, it is not very impressive at all when Pahoran descends from his lofty heights to visit this sty in order to counterattack the enemies of Brother Peterson, but then lacks the courage and the intellectual honesty to make his case when asked to do so.

Since Pahoran lacks enough sense of of self awareness to feel embarrassed, I will vicariously take upon myself the embarrassment Pahoran should be feeling for his utter lack of intellectual honesty.
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