Proclamation to the World...vs...LDS Gay leadership

[_Darth J]

the entire law of Chastity in toto

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[_Equality]

the entire law of Chastity in toto

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but if only one, single, solitary human being

Likewise, this.

[_Droopy]

Then why are you rejecting the inspired counsel of a modern prophet of God? It's those violent kung fu movies that are giving you those homosexual urges, Droopy. President Kimball said so.

Ever seen Challenge of the Masters, about Wong Fei Hung and his master, Luk Ah Choy? Tell me what you find objectionable about it when you do.

[_Bob Loblaw]

but if only one, single, solitary human being

Likewise, this.

Why use one word when 10 will suffice? Good writing is like Chuck-A-Rama. The more stuff out on the steam trays, the better.

[_Darth J]

Then why are you rejecting the inspired counsel of a modern prophet of God? It's those violent kung fu movies that are giving you those homosexual urges, Droopy. President Kimball said so.

Ever seen Challenge of the Masters, about Wong Fei Hung and his master, Luk Ah Choy? Tell me what you find objectionable about it when you do.

As servants of the Lord Jesus Christ, it is our sacred responsibility to teach His standard of morality, which is the same for all of His children. When our thoughts or our actions are impure, we violate His standard. The Lord has said, “I . . . cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance.” Some attempt to rationalize away their conduct.

In a poem by John Holmes titled “Talk,” an old, deaf New England shipbuilder teaches a young man about rationalization. In describing one of the lessons he learned, the youth explains, “I wouldn’t have known that however you build it, the ship must sail; you can’t explain to the ocean.”

It has been suggested that what happens in a certain city stays in a certain city. I like the sign posted in Sevier County, Utah, which states, “What happens in Sevier County . . . you can share with your friends!!!” When we realize that we are accountable to God, we see how foolish rationalizations can be. Those who rationalize remind us of little children who cover their eyes, convinced that if they can’t see us, we can’t see them. I would suggest that if we think about giving an accounting of our actions to the Savior, our rationalizations will be seen in their true light.

http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2 ... t?lang=eng

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Darth J,

You really ought quoting anti-Mormon literature and statements when discussing l'nouveau Mormon apologia. You're outing yourself as an extremist who only quotes those who hate Mormonism to their core.


V/R
Dr. Cameron

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

That Mormon primate god has the most inefficient, incompetent plan that any 19th century Yankee village magician could have ever conceived of.

Behold the wisdom of God: "You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs."

Let's not promote Ataturk too quickly, Sir.

- Doc

[_Markk]

Being lost in a self-perpetuating fantasy is unwise, as mortality is a very serious business.

Homosexuality is a gross violation of the Lord's laws of sexual relations, and always will be. I see no indication whatsoever that the Church is altering its traditional views on the subject, and no evidence of anything amiss. Allowing open homosexuality (beyond welcoming and helping people who perceive themselves to be same sex attracted) in the church would unravel the entire edifice as it would ultimately mean the abandonment of the entire law of Chastity in toto, which would also mean the abandonment of the entire plan of salvation, based as it is, on family and eternal marriage.

Hence, as the culture continues to barbarize, with our pervasive cult of eroticism and pansexual hedonism as one of the primary centers of our approaching ripeness, Zion will, eventually, be the only place to flee for safety.

And that of our children.

Hi droppy,

I am a conservative Christian, who also believes homosexuality is a sin...my point is that the LDS church has compromised on this issue and caved into PC and is seeking more to appease the ever growing liberal folks of your Zion...as NOM, stay LDS, and here show?

The church is hurting and change is in the air...like I said we will see.

[_Droopy]

I am a conservative Christian, who also believes homosexuality is a sin...my point is that the LDS church has compromised on this issue and caved into PC and is seeking more to appease the ever growing liberal folks of your Zion...as NOM, stay LDS, and here show?

The church is hurting and change is in the air...like I said we will see.

I see no evidence that the church has or has any intention of compromising on a thing, and the law of chastity remains as it always has, inviolable and unalterable. Loving, understanding, and working with homosexuals who wish to be a part of the restored Church but who struggle with SSA is not caving to PC (the idea of PC in the Church is an ironic knee-slapper, Markk, as anyone who's been around the Internet NOM/cultural Mormon world for any length of time well knows. The NOM's having been fighting tooth and claw for many years against the Church and its leaders for their intransigent resistance to precisely this), but is simply indicative of the Church being more proactive on an issue that contemporary cultural conditions have made it imperative to negotiate.

Homosexual behavior, according to settled church doctrine, is still gross transgression of God's laws of sexual relations, and if persisted in, would mean excommunication, just as adultery, fornication, or other similar transgressions of God's laws of sexual relations. Making an open homosexual a ward clerk is not evidence of any compromise on the Church's part (and, given this individual's attitudes and public pronouncements and activism, may, in the end, require the ward and stake leaders that created this Frankenstein to take a long, serious look at their decision in perhaps a more sober light).

[_Droopy]

...my point is that the LDS church has compromised on this issue and caved into PC and is seeking more to appease the ever growing liberal folks of your Zion...as NOM, stay LDS, and here show?

The vast majority of these people, one way or another, and either sooner or later, will distance themselves from the Church and take their own path, not finding in the Church a place hospitable to a number of their core values and beliefs and not finding it willing to alter its own core values and doctrines to accommodate those they wish to graft onto the olive tree.

Some, as well, will doubtless decide to repent and become fully converted, an eventuality that I welcome with open arms.