Proclamation to the World...vs...LDS Gay leadership

[_Bob Loblaw]

The vast majority of these people, one way or another, and either sooner or later, will distance themselves from the Church and take their own path, not finding in the Church a place hospitable to a number of their core values and beliefs and not finding it willing to alter its own core values and doctrines to accommodate those they wish to graft onto the olive tree.

Some, as well, will doubtless decide to repent and become fully converted, an eventuality that I welcome with open arms.

What are the church's core values? According to Joseph Smith, nothing is wrong as long as God commands it. What if God commanded the church to accept same-sex marriage and such married people as being in full fellowship? If the prophet said he'd had a 1978-style revelation legitimizing same-sex marriage, wouldn't you have to support him? What is there in the church that prevents this from happening? Current doctrine seems to make it unlikely, but not impossible. After all, with God nothing is impossible.

[_Markk]

I see no evidence that the church has or has any intention of compromising on a thing, and the law of chastity remains as it always has, inviolable and unalterable. Loving, understanding, and working with homosexuals who wish to be a part of the restored Church but who struggle with SSA is not caving to PC (the idea of PC in the Church is an ironic knee-slapper, Markk, as anyone who's been around the Internet NOM/cultural Mormon world for any length of time well knows. The NOM's having been fighting tooth and claw for many years against the Church and its leaders for their intransigent resistance to precisely this), but is simply indicative of the Church being more proactive on an issue that contemporary cultural conditions have made it imperative to negotiate.

Homosexual behavior, according to settled church doctrine, is still gross transgression of God's laws of sexual relations, and if persisted in, would mean excommunication, just as adultery, fornication, or other similar transgressions of God's laws of sexual relations. Making an open homosexual a ward clerk is not evidence of any compromise on the Church's part (and, given this individual's attitudes and public pronouncements and activism, may, in the end, require the ward and stake leaders that created this Frankenstein to take a long, serious look at their decision in perhaps a more sober light).

They already have, they are allowing openly gay members to hold a calling, publish their achievment in gay publications, and are now allowing opening gay folks at BYU to be open...all of which would not have been allowed a decade or so ago.

I was a member for 34 years and there has been compromise in the 20 years I have been out...you are simply being naïve or oblivious if you don't see it.

He is more than a ward clerk in LDS concept, he is a priesthood holder, most likely a high priest, given by authority... keys for his callings.

In one breath you are saying the church is reaching out in love, to the gay folks, and in another condemn members at NoM and places like here...wheres the love there droppy?

I guess we will just have to wait and see?

Take care

mark