As a hen gathers her chicks

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As a hen gathers her chicks

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One of my favorite Book of Mormon phrases (growing up) is found in 3 Nephi 10:4

how oft have I gathered you as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and have nourished you.

Funnily enough, it never dawned on me that this same phrase is found in Luke 13 and other places in the Bible. For some reason, I always thought this was a nice warm Book of Mormon phrase and one of the reasons the Book of Mormon was so special.

The image below is what reminded me of this phrase.
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Darla Fisher-Odjig-PAINTER - ”Under the wings”

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Maureen D. Dean - "Shadow of His Wings"

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Sano di Pietro, Madonna of Mercy, ca. 1440

looking for a better picture of this:
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zeezrom wrote:One of my favorite Book of Mormon phrases (growing up) is found in 3 Nephi 10:4

how oft have I gathered you as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and have nourished you.

Funnily enough, it never dawned on me that this same phrase is found in Luke 13 and other places in the Bible. For some reason, I always thought this was a nice warm Book of Mormon phrase and one of the reasons the Book of Mormon was so special.

As usual, Book of Mormon is distorting the original.

Here is:
Luke 13:34 wrote:O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!



... a nice warm Book of Mormon phrase ...


... but we need some humor, even for chickens ...

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I told Stak once that having the Book of Mormon and the Bible is like having 2 boyfriends. They really don't complement each other well. The Book of Mormon tries (unsuccessfully) to steal the show (mostly) by copying.
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I thought of the Mother Ginger interlude in the Nutcracker, zeez...
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Blixa wrote:I thought of the Mother Ginger interlude in the Nutcracker, zeez...

Perfect, Blixa. Thank you.
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zeezrom wrote:I told Stak once that having the Book of Mormon and the Bible is like having 2 boyfriends. They really don't complement each other well. The Book of Mormon tries (unsuccessfully) to steal the show (mostly) by copying.


Yup. I know the Bible pretty well, and I find that my efforts to read the text of the Book of Mormon in any kind of sympathetic way are frustrated by the constant sense that I am discovering small but significant plagiarisms. What is more, these little stealings never seem to improve on the original, but if anything to make things a little less interesting. I am not referring to the well-known wholesale borrowings from Isaiah, but to examples such as the one quoted above.

But - maybe that is just my prejudice. Can anyone brought up on the Book of Mormon as their primary religious text give me an example where the Book of Mormon reuses biblical phrasing so that the result is in some sense better than the original?

If you do give an example, please indicate exactly what you think the improvement consists of.

But - maybe
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